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The pro-Soviet view is that Katyn was done by the Nazis and blamed on the Soviets after the fact. I've never cared to investigate it in depth. Mass deportation
by RedCondor 3y ago
The pro-Soviet view is that Katyn was done by the Nazis and blamed on the Soviets after the fact. I've never cared to investigate it in depth.
Mass deportations were a sad but not uncommon operation at the time, as seen for example by this Churchill speech from 1937:
>I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. I do not admit it. I do not think the Red Indians had any right to say, “The American Continent belongs to us and we are not going to have any of these European settlers coming in here.” They had not the right, nor had they the power.
https://archive.org/details/winstonschurchil5pt3chur/ https://archive.org/details/winstonschurchil5pt3chur/
Or this one from 1944:
>Expulsion is the method which, so far as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble, as has been the case in Alsace-Lorraine. A clean sweep will be made. I am not alarmed by the prospect of the disentanglement of populations, nor even by these large transferences, which are more possible in modern conditions than they ever were before.
https://archive.org/details/winstonschurchil0007unse/page/7069/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/winstonschurchil0007unse/page/70...
The absurdity comes when they're used to try to conjure up a boogeyman.
- scp_not_gpt 3y ago> Holodomor was invented to make a boogeyman of USSR > Katyn was done by Nazis > Gulags were not that bad > Deportations were unfortunate, but look, someone did it too, therefore it's ok > Molotov-Ribbentrop was a fake, whatabout [insert some unrelated nonsense] > The rape of Berlin never happened Nothing like the whiff of braindead and morally bankrupt ideology in the morning
- RedCondor 3y agoThis is just bargain-bin "spraying shit and seeing what sticks." Some falsehoods, some distorsions, most of which are handled superbly by this book chapter on the Khrushchev Report: https://redsails.org/losurdo-on-the-secret-report/ https://redsails.org/losurdo-on-the-secret-report/ Beevor is particularly vile with his rape-storytelling, and his stuff does not check out. See, "Hordes of Rapists: The Instrumentalization of Sexual Violence in German Cold War Anti-Communist Discourses": https://journals.openedition.org/rccsar/476 https://journals.openedition.org/rccsar/476 Seek truth from facts, brother.
- dang 3y agoPlease edit out swipes and avoid flamewar as the site guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We have to ban accounts that keep breaking the rules.
- dang 3y agoYou've broken the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html