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The problem is that work on standards costs a lot of money. Somehow we need to pay for that. The solution could be the state.

kajaktum 4y ago
Like what? And if they do, is it really sustainable? Are these standard organisations really funded by the papers they sell?
- justeleblanc 4y ago
  ISO is funded by sales and membership fees from member states. It's been around for 75 years. If they're not sustainable, I don't know what organizations are.
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
But what is a standard? Either one company or multiple companies wanting to be interoperable with their software decide on a way to save data (communicate, whatever), so more people buy their software and use their prouducts. Adobe has an interest for more and more people to use PDFs because more people will then buy their products.. if they're afraid of the costs, don't publish the standard and risk people switching to other stanards.
johannes1234321 4y ago
The fun is: The fees for obtaining the standard doesn't really go to the ones who create the standard. Standard is created by volunteers typically sponsored by their employer to go to standards meetings, who also pay (depending on national body) for being members.
- throw0101c 4y ago
  > The fun is: The fees for obtaining the standard doesn't really go to the ones who create the standard. The standard organization itself has and needs some infrastructure to exist, and that has to be paid for. While the folks getting together creating the standards are (often) sponsored by their employer, the employer thinks this is a net benefit because they get a say in setting it, after which they can turn around and sell more product(s) based on the standard. The standards organization themselves do not have such an option, but they still have bills to pay.
  - pca006132 4y ago
    What services do standard organizations provide? Apart from scheduling meetings and hiding the standards behind a paywall?
    - justeleblanc 4y ago
      I guess you can take a look there: https://www.iso.org/what-we-do.html https://www.iso.org/what-we-do.html
Razengan 4y ago
There should be organizations where people can get paid to just chill and invent stuff.

kajaktum 4y ago

Like what? And if they do, is it really sustainable? Are these standard organisations really funded by the papers they sell?

justeleblanc 4y ago
ISO is funded by sales and membership fees from member states. It's been around for 75 years. If they're not sustainable, I don't know what organizations are.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

But what is a standard? Either one company or multiple companies wanting to be interoperable with their software decide on a way to save data (communicate, whatever), so more people buy their software and use their prouducts. Adobe has an interest for more and more people to use PDFs because more people will then buy their products.. if they're afraid of the costs, don't publish the standard and risk people switching to other stanards.

johannes1234321 4y ago

The fun is: The fees for obtaining the standard doesn't really go to the ones who create the standard. Standard is created by volunteers typically sponsored by their employer to go to standards meetings, who also pay (depending on national body) for being members.

throw0101c 4y ago
> The fun is: The fees for obtaining the standard doesn't really go to the ones who create the standard. The standard organization itself has and needs some infrastructure to exist, and that has to be paid for. While the folks getting together creating the standards are (often) sponsored by their employer, the employer thinks this is a net benefit because they get a say in setting it, after which they can turn around and sell more product(s) based on the standard. The standards organization themselves do not have such an option, but they still have bills to pay.
- pca006132 4y ago
  What services do standard organizations provide? Apart from scheduling meetings and hiding the standards behind a paywall?
  - justeleblanc 4y ago
    I guess you can take a look there: https://www.iso.org/what-we-do.html https://www.iso.org/what-we-do.html

Razengan 4y ago

There should be organizations where people can get paid to just chill and invent stuff.