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> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge
by zpeti 4y ago
> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control
And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era).
You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military?
You paint a picture of America as an evil empire, but what do the alternatives look like?
- aliyfarah 4y agoI'm not even sure how to make sense of what you wrote. How did you conclude everyone on the globe will get a Chinese social credit score if China becomes #1 economy in the world? Most people outside the West don't necessarily clamour for Chinese hegemony, but want to live in a multipolar world. Why should trade between non aligned countries have to be restricted when US decides to weaponize its currency?
- vasco 4y ago> You paint a picture of America as an evil empire, but what do the alternatives look like? The nice alternatives don't have big enough militaries to be considered seriously, one could point at some European nations for a more measured approach, but it's hard to do it seriously when we only exist because the US saved us and continues to do so, as Europe pretty much has no military power if push comes to shove.
- jacquesm 4y agoNo military power is short selling Europe, just not as much as it probably should have, and that's because we figured war is no longer a viable option. Unfortunately recent events have shown this to be a fallacy.
- herbst 4y agoDo we want America as a world leader? Enforcing their dated moral views on us trough controlling money flow and social media? We do have accept violence but no nudity in our media when our society is the exact opposite? Yes that's whatabouttism but the world actually does suffer from the current state as well
- kleene_op 4y agoI'm not sure I want America to be the world leader. But I am definitely sure I don't want it to be China.
- herbst 4y agoBut that's not what it is about. China doesn't seem to try to enforce global policies (right now) nether do they claim the moral right for OUR society.
- kelnos 4y agoSure they do. They just do it through second-order effects so it seems less obvious what's going on. I recall an instance where an American basketball team owner said something in support of the Hong Kong protests. His team was immediately banned from China, both physically and via broadcast. Being able to publicly censor foreigners who dislike your policies is a useful power. When you control economic access to a billion people, you don't always need guns to get others to do that you want. (China does have plenty of those guns, though, if and when they decide they need them.)
- concordDance 4y agoNot even "dated", nudity being OK goes back quite a way.
- herbst 4y agoThat's not what I ment. Visa&Master, whoever rates movies, facebook they all allow violence but no nudity. In Europe nudity definitely is more normal than violence. America is forcing their different moral view on our media, normalizing violence and ashaming the youth with oldschool sexual views.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoI’d note Chinese culture is even more conservative regarding nudity and just as glorifying of nationalist violence.
- paganel 4y ago> And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? Why not? Granted, I'm not an American. I haven't heard any Chinese Foreign minister goading of having killed hundreds of thousands of kids the same way as the US did [1], so why shouldn't the rest of the world give China a chance instead of the US? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP1OAD9jSaI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP1OAD9jSaI
- baq 4y agoYou haven’t heard because they are very good at being quiet about what they do. Google Uighur, then google further since you now know what to look for.
- paganel 4y agoAt this point I'm treating any information coming from Western sources as propaganda and definitely questionable. It wasn't always like this, but that's what the last couple of years have made me think. As such, I'd need other sources than Western media to tell me what to think about what happens to the Uighurs (whom I'm sure do not have an easy life, far from it).
- baq 4y agoGood for you. Don't assume other sources aren't propaganda, though. In fact, they're probably worse. Chinese sources will be devoid of any information which can put a bad face on the party even in the second order effects.
- kelnos 4y agoIt sounds like you're saying that, because you can't be certain of the truth presented by Western media, you're just going to assume that everyone be going on in China is just a-okay. Maybe go ahead and find those alternate news sources, explain why you believe they are accurate, and present a conclusion?
- herbst 4y agoYou will be downvoted and ignored for 'whataboutism' but what you say is still true and one of the many many reasons why many people in the western world do not follow, appreciate or even accept the US as quasi leader.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago> You want social credit scores? This is your daily reminder that social credit scores don't actually exist. They're a myth, a meme.