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Range anxiety is already a problem: there is no way I would trade in an ICE car for one that I can’t also use for occasional longer distance trips or that must

Range anxiety is already a problem: there is no way I would trade in an ICE car for one that I can’t also use for occasional longer distance trips or that must be charged at every opportunity.

valzam 4y ago
The suggestion is for plug-in hybrid, so 90% of the time on electric, rest would be petrol
elif 4y ago
Range anxiety is an ICE driver imagined pathology. Once you understand how your vehicle uses electricity, it really is not scary at all. When I am road tripping I usually try to charge such that I make it to the next charger at 3-5%. It ends up being a faster overall trip because you get faster charging speeds. It's not like a gas tank where unexpected traffic can run you to zero. Bad traffic improves your range. If you bite off more than you intended, just drop 10kph and let the estimate adjust.
- mattnewton 4y ago
  I don’t own an ICE or any car, and I really believe in electric vehicles. Whenever possible I rent electric vehicles, usually teslas, and multiple times and had to plan my vacation around making sure we had time to charge. It’s not imagined, I have almost run out of battery and trips have taken me hours more because of the current lack of high speed charging - the only reason that was possible at all was because of the large battery. I think the only imagined thing here is the demand for smaller battery cars- why would I buy a car that can’t also do these trips? And why would we want to push a heavy ICE and tank around all the time in a hybrid car instead of more batteries for this case?
  - richardw 4y ago
    What I do is own a normal size car and rent a bigger one for occasional trips. Eg 4x4 or something with lots of luggage space. I figure paying monthly for a car I use twice a year is irrational, and I get a car suitable to the trip.
  - elif 4y ago
    I have been on many road trips in my Tesla, and have never looked more than 1 charger into the future. the best laid plans etc. Things change when you are on the road. Tesla automatically reroutes you if occupancy changes or you use more energy than it wanted you to. The "lack of high speed charging" makes me think the incident you describe was not one of the "usually Tesla" trips.. and I agree the EA/CP/etc. charging network never gives you a reliable picture of where you can charge, which chargers are broken or blocked, and how fast and leaves you to do your own homework. And like I said, the "almost ran out of battery" events are the ideal, not a problem. It is in your mind that these were bad times.
    - mattnewton 4y ago
      They had real effects where I couldn’t make side excursions traveling partners wanted, and had to stay for extra hours at other stops because the next charger wasn’t high speed. Instead of wandering the open world we needed to stick to the schedule or risk being stranded. Solving for the range of the vehicle became the primary constraint, especially when we got somewhere the Tesla told us had chargers but they weren’t functional. It didn’t run out only because of the anxiety, I don’t understand why because I was able to successfully navigate this at great effort compared to ICE cars that the problem doesn’t exist or the effort isn’t real? In any case, dismissing this as a pathology when anyone brings it up, even when they want the same electrification that you do, doesn’t help anyone! Longer range batteries are what the market wants. Tesla isn’t crazy here, that’s why they are building their plans around it.

Range anxiety is already a problem: there is no way I would trade in an ICE car for one that I can’t also use for occasional longer distance trips or that must be charged at every opportunity.

valzam 4y ago

The suggestion is for plug-in hybrid, so 90% of the time on electric, rest would be petrol

elif 4y ago

Range anxiety is an ICE driver imagined pathology. Once you understand how your vehicle uses electricity, it really is not scary at all. When I am road tripping I usually try to charge such that I make it to the next charger at 3-5%. It ends up being a faster overall trip because you get faster charging speeds. It's not like a gas tank where unexpected traffic can run you to zero. Bad traffic improves your range. If you bite off more than you intended, just drop 10kph and let the estimate adjust.

mattnewton 4y ago
I don’t own an ICE or any car, and I really believe in electric vehicles. Whenever possible I rent electric vehicles, usually teslas, and multiple times and had to plan my vacation around making sure we had time to charge. It’s not imagined, I have almost run out of battery and trips have taken me hours more because of the current lack of high speed charging - the only reason that was possible at all was because of the large battery. I think the only imagined thing here is the demand for smaller battery cars- why would I buy a car that can’t also do these trips? And why would we want to push a heavy ICE and tank around all the time in a hybrid car instead of more batteries for this case?
- richardw 4y ago
  What I do is own a normal size car and rent a bigger one for occasional trips. Eg 4x4 or something with lots of luggage space. I figure paying monthly for a car I use twice a year is irrational, and I get a car suitable to the trip.
- elif 4y ago
  I have been on many road trips in my Tesla, and have never looked more than 1 charger into the future. the best laid plans etc. Things change when you are on the road. Tesla automatically reroutes you if occupancy changes or you use more energy than it wanted you to. The "lack of high speed charging" makes me think the incident you describe was not one of the "usually Tesla" trips.. and I agree the EA/CP/etc. charging network never gives you a reliable picture of where you can charge, which chargers are broken or blocked, and how fast and leaves you to do your own homework. And like I said, the "almost ran out of battery" events are the ideal, not a problem. It is in your mind that these were bad times.
  - mattnewton 4y ago
    They had real effects where I couldn’t make side excursions traveling partners wanted, and had to stay for extra hours at other stops because the next charger wasn’t high speed. Instead of wandering the open world we needed to stick to the schedule or risk being stranded. Solving for the range of the vehicle became the primary constraint, especially when we got somewhere the Tesla told us had chargers but they weren’t functional. It didn’t run out only because of the anxiety, I don’t understand why because I was able to successfully navigate this at great effort compared to ICE cars that the problem doesn’t exist or the effort isn’t real? In any case, dismissing this as a pathology when anyone brings it up, even when they want the same electrification that you do, doesn’t help anyone! Longer range batteries are what the market wants. Tesla isn’t crazy here, that’s why they are building their plans around it.