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Infectious diseases spread. If one country is doing all the right things but not enough other countries are, then that country doing all the right things won't
by epgui 4y ago
Infectious diseases spread.
If one country is doing all the right things but not enough other countries are, then that country doing all the right things won't be able to stop the spread on its own, even within its geography. That's normal and to be expected.
This is why I said coordinated action was required: I didn't say that for no reason.
- monero-xmr 4y ago[flagged]
- epgui 4y agoLet's not go down this tangent please. If you genuinely want to discuss this honestly (I am skeptical, but prove me wrong), we should do it in a more appropriate forum / context.
- tempestn 4y agoThe initial lockdowns were intended to prevent a rapid spike in cases that would overwhelm the medical system. That was important, and largely successful. If such measure could have been taken in a globally coordinated, and fairly extreme manner, which was never realistic, then in theory the virus could've been eradicated early on. But that doesn't mean they were worthless otherwise. After that period there were measures of varying strictness applied in different areas, some of which were beneficial, and some did more harm than good. Some were based on a mistaken notion that the virus could be locally eradicated. Others were based on good science to blunt spikes of infections, again to reduce strain on the medical system, or to buy time for vaccinations. We can't look at complex issues as black and white.
- mc32 4y agoThey have an authoritarian government -one which could weld shut windows and doors ignoring any fire safety issues to lock down a block because there was one case… And it still spread. No, 10 days with democratic governments don’t allow one to truthfully say ‘10 days to stop the spread’. It’s either ignorance or willful misinformation/lying.
- epgui 4y agoI think you should read my comment more slowly and more carefully, because if I copy-pasted it right here it would be an adequate response to your response.
- mc32 4y agoTh premise is all governments would have the power to shut things down. They don't. We have civil liberties. It was unfeasible. Even absolute world-wide martial law would not stop it [you can't freeze people in place for ten days straight]. So the statement that it could have been stopped in 10 days if... No, that "if" was not going to happen.
- epgui 4y agoI think you need to draw an actual timeline of all the measures that were taken, and where and when they happened. That should help clarify.
- mc32 4y agoDo you recall the very early days when there was a cruise ship where a passenger caught SARS-COV2 and they anchored it in the SF bay and didn't let anyone off even while some succumbed to the disease and treated passengers as if they had Ebola? Yet, it still jumped and infected people (landlubbers). There was no way "10 days to stop the spread" was going to be effective.
- epgui 4y agoAlright that's one measure, keep going, that timeline of all measures is not going to fill itself!
- rdtsc 4y ago> keep going, that timeline of all measures is not going to fill itself! That’s rude and arrogant. “Copy and paste my previous reply”, “the timeline is not going to fill itself”. mc32 is trying to present his argument and you reply with these short quips. If you’re trying to present a counter-argument, this strategy works against you, as it makes mc32 appear more reasonable and knowledgeable.
- ekianjo 4y ago> This is why I said coordinated action was required: I didn't say that for no reason. Nobody wants more clueless WHO driving things
- epgui 4y agoNobody wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes doing things we don't want to do is the best way to optimize quality (and quantity) of life for everyone. It all comes down to epidemiology, actuarial science and medical economics.
- quonn 4y agoIt comes down to a phantasy world complete with unicorns and all that does not exist anywhere except in your mind.