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This comment is offensive and ridiculous. There are many ways to increase adoption of renewable energy that don't involve putting down minorities, being racist

This comment is offensive and ridiculous. There are many ways to increase adoption of renewable energy that don't involve putting down minorities, being racist, sexist and all around offensive and acting with the maturity of a spoilt teenager. Two of them being through government regulation and incentives which are major contributors to Tesla's success.

whatwhaaaaat 4y ago
How has elon been racist or sexist?
spacephysics 4y ago
These blanket judgements and accusations at a good half of the population of the United States is why we’re in the social mess we’re in now. You’re contributing to the problem, the divisive rhetoric that isn’t useful for anyone on any side if we wish to come to common ground across the aisle. If either side wishes to make impactful change. Already the world is moving away from the US dollar hegemony, a move that will impact our children, and children’s children if we as a country don’t participate in these evolving times. There’s numerous other examples of the world making decades-long plans that the US is not positioning ourselves appropriately for. We’re distracted by such tribalism on both sides. The United States won’t be taken over by an outside power, no, we’re doing well enough eating ourselves from the inside.
- rektide 4y ago
  Casting blame where it is due does not seem like the problem, as much as people protest how harmful it is.
- chipgap98 4y ago
  The post you’re replying to is accusing Elon of acting a certain way, not half of the USA.
  - enslavedrobot 4y ago
    It suggests the behaviour is motivated by the desire to trick a bunch of unsophisticated rubes into doing something they are too stupid to realize is a good idea for ideological reasons. Seems pretty insulting to me.
    - epgui 4y ago
      Agreed... But is it implausible?
    - Teever 4y ago
      Aren't the people who roll coal and hate green energy a bunch of unsophisticated rubes?
      - enslavedrobot 4y ago
        No more unsophisticated than the rubes that spend 20 minutes washing their zip lock bags "to do their part for the environment" and then hop on an airplane an generate more emissions than throwing out a lifetime's worth of plastic bags in a couple of hours.
        Teever 4y ago
        You're missing the fact that the people who roll coal also often hop on airplanes.
dmak 4y ago
Ad hominems aside. I am guessing you are working in the renewable energy industry since you are pretty confident in other ways of increasing adoption. I'm not familiar on the topic, so I would like to hear from an expert like yourself. Could you elaborate how?
- epgui 4y ago
  Maybe the parent comment was edited, but I see no ad hominem there. (Edit: if you're going to downvote me, please briefly explain what I missed, I can be reasoned with... lol)
  - fastball 4y ago
    > putting down minorities, being racist, sexist and all around offensive and acting with the maturity of a spoilt teenager.
    - epgui 4y ago
      That's not really an ad hominem, it's a criticism of the manner by which Elon (according to the commenter) goes about trying to achieve his objectives. You can disagree with that characterization or interpretation, but it's not an ad hominem because it's the main subject matter in this context.
      - fastball 4y ago
        Ok, but is there actual evidence of Elon Musk behaving in a racist or sexist way? Because if not then this is just a generic attack on the man, not an attack on his ideas.
        epgui 4y ago
        There are allegations (probably in the form of guilt by association), vaguely suggestive tweets (or tweets that have obvious potential for misinterpretation), and things like that. I think you could make a very good case against that comment, but "ad hominem" isn't it IMO. I'd argue {{citation needed}}, "lacks substantiation", "slightly hyperbolic", or something like that.
epgui 4y ago
It's possible to agree with both your comment and the parent comment, so I feel like you could be a bit more charitable in how you interpret the parent comment.

whatwhaaaaat 4y ago

How has elon been racist or sexist?

spacephysics 4y ago

These blanket judgements and accusations at a good half of the population of the United States is why we’re in the social mess we’re in now. You’re contributing to the problem, the divisive rhetoric that isn’t useful for anyone on any side if we wish to come to common ground across the aisle. If either side wishes to make impactful change. Already the world is moving away from the US dollar hegemony, a move that will impact our children, and children’s children if we as a country don’t participate in these evolving times. There’s numerous other examples of the world making decades-long plans that the US is not positioning ourselves appropriately for. We’re distracted by such tribalism on both sides. The United States won’t be taken over by an outside power, no, we’re doing well enough eating ourselves from the inside.

rektide 4y ago
Casting blame where it is due does not seem like the problem, as much as people protest how harmful it is.
chipgap98 4y ago
The post you’re replying to is accusing Elon of acting a certain way, not half of the USA.
- enslavedrobot 4y ago
  It suggests the behaviour is motivated by the desire to trick a bunch of unsophisticated rubes into doing something they are too stupid to realize is a good idea for ideological reasons. Seems pretty insulting to me.
  - epgui 4y ago
    Agreed... But is it implausible?
  - Teever 4y ago
    Aren't the people who roll coal and hate green energy a bunch of unsophisticated rubes?
    - enslavedrobot 4y ago
      No more unsophisticated than the rubes that spend 20 minutes washing their zip lock bags "to do their part for the environment" and then hop on an airplane an generate more emissions than throwing out a lifetime's worth of plastic bags in a couple of hours.
      - Teever 4y ago
        You're missing the fact that the people who roll coal also often hop on airplanes.

dmak 4y ago

Ad hominems aside. I am guessing you are working in the renewable energy industry since you are pretty confident in other ways of increasing adoption. I'm not familiar on the topic, so I would like to hear from an expert like yourself. Could you elaborate how?

epgui 4y ago
Maybe the parent comment was edited, but I see no ad hominem there. (Edit: if you're going to downvote me, please briefly explain what I missed, I can be reasoned with... lol)
- fastball 4y ago
  > putting down minorities, being racist, sexist and all around offensive and acting with the maturity of a spoilt teenager.
  - epgui 4y ago
    That's not really an ad hominem, it's a criticism of the manner by which Elon (according to the commenter) goes about trying to achieve his objectives. You can disagree with that characterization or interpretation, but it's not an ad hominem because it's the main subject matter in this context.
    - fastball 4y ago
      Ok, but is there actual evidence of Elon Musk behaving in a racist or sexist way? Because if not then this is just a generic attack on the man, not an attack on his ideas.
      - epgui 4y ago
        There are allegations (probably in the form of guilt by association), vaguely suggestive tweets (or tweets that have obvious potential for misinterpretation), and things like that. I think you could make a very good case against that comment, but "ad hominem" isn't it IMO. I'd argue {{citation needed}}, "lacks substantiation", "slightly hyperbolic", or something like that.

epgui 4y ago

It's possible to agree with both your comment and the parent comment, so I feel like you could be a bit more charitable in how you interpret the parent comment.