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> It seems to me that the basic problem in SF is wealth disparity. Really? > police budgets have gone up rather than down. And what do you think the police a

by JPKab 4y ago

> It seems to me that the basic problem in SF is wealth disparity. Really? > police budgets have gone up rather than down. And what do you think the police are supposed to do when the prosecutions by the DA fall off a cliff? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, if the number of cops remains unchanged, but the percentage of criminals they detain being arraigned/charged/arrested drops, that maybe, just maybe, crime will go up? The cognitive dissonance is just unbelievable here.

Talanes 4y ago
Except they mostly skip the detain step in favor of complaining that the latter steps totally would have been messed up had they actually tried to do their job.
wolverine876 4y ago
Maybe provide evidence rather than exaggerated statements and attacks (a signal of lack of evidence). Inform us: What are the stats on DA prosecutions - I've heard that claim in other places about progressive DAs, and they turned out to be false. Also, it's not clear to me that crime goes up if prosecutions go down; it's possible, but it's possible that looking at all arrests the same, for every alleged crime, is meaningless; it's possible that more arrests means worse cases; it's possible police are providing worse evidence, or the distribution of crime types has changed, or criminals have no idea of crime stats and have other motivations. Is there some correlation you can point to?
- JPKab 4y ago
  The stats on the previous DAs dramatic reduction in prosecutions are publicly available via Google search. If you actually cared about interrogating your own beliefs you would look this up yourself but you don't. I don't waste time arguing with far left ideologues. It's like talking to fundamentalist Christians about evolution: wasted time. Your statement about it not being clear that crime goes up if less criminals are prosecuted is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've seen in a long time. Do you even realize how utterly lacking in common sense the statement is?
  - tga_d 4y ago
    Okay, I did the google search you mentioned. It says you're wrong: "Overall Prosecution Rate in SF Remains Largely the Same Under Boudin" - NBC Here's the raw data from the DA's office: https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ I'll also ask you to consider how this whole thread could have gone differently if you and everyone else had bothered to constructively engage with the discussion, and done the research you so dismissively told others to do.
    - JPKab 4y ago
      Did you not see the note at the bottom of the dashboard that says it excludes murder, rape, and domestic assault? Did you unthinkingly look at the aggregate, and not click on specific crimes like commercial burglary and see a massive drop in percentage of reports being prosecuted? "Guys, you'll never believe it! According to the DA's office, the DA is doing great!"
      - tga_d 4y ago
        You're only looking at the first chart, scroll down if you want those other crimes included (you can even filter only on them). It's still level.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    This post is a great example of performative outrage and the use of rhetorical fallacies as a distraction from the underlying facts. A+, would nod unthinkingly again.

by JPKab 4y ago

Talanes 4y ago

Except they mostly skip the detain step in favor of complaining that the latter steps totally would have been messed up had they actually tried to do their job.

wolverine876 4y ago

Maybe provide evidence rather than exaggerated statements and attacks (a signal of lack of evidence). Inform us: What are the stats on DA prosecutions - I've heard that claim in other places about progressive DAs, and they turned out to be false. Also, it's not clear to me that crime goes up if prosecutions go down; it's possible, but it's possible that looking at all arrests the same, for every alleged crime, is meaningless; it's possible that more arrests means worse cases; it's possible police are providing worse evidence, or the distribution of crime types has changed, or criminals have no idea of crime stats and have other motivations. Is there some correlation you can point to?

JPKab 4y ago
The stats on the previous DAs dramatic reduction in prosecutions are publicly available via Google search. If you actually cared about interrogating your own beliefs you would look this up yourself but you don't. I don't waste time arguing with far left ideologues. It's like talking to fundamentalist Christians about evolution: wasted time. Your statement about it not being clear that crime goes up if less criminals are prosecuted is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've seen in a long time. Do you even realize how utterly lacking in common sense the statement is?
- tga_d 4y ago
  Okay, I did the google search you mentioned. It says you're wrong: "Overall Prosecution Rate in SF Remains Largely the Same Under Boudin" - NBC Here's the raw data from the DA's office: https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ I'll also ask you to consider how this whole thread could have gone differently if you and everyone else had bothered to constructively engage with the discussion, and done the research you so dismissively told others to do.
  - JPKab 4y ago
    Did you not see the note at the bottom of the dashboard that says it excludes murder, rape, and domestic assault? Did you unthinkingly look at the aggregate, and not click on specific crimes like commercial burglary and see a massive drop in percentage of reports being prosecuted? "Guys, you'll never believe it! According to the DA's office, the DA is doing great!"
    - tga_d 4y ago
      You're only looking at the first chart, scroll down if you want those other crimes included (you can even filter only on them). It's still level.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  This post is a great example of performative outrage and the use of rhetorical fallacies as a distraction from the underlying facts. A+, would nod unthinkingly again.