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What harm was done with that photo? Was even one woman turned away from an industry bc of it? Absurd.

dingosity 4y ago
Read the link.
em-bee 4y ago
we don't know the harm, because we don't know how many women encountered this image and may have been made uncomfortable because of it. we also don't know how many men felt encouraged in their sexism upon encountering this image. while the image didn't make men sexist, it undoubtedly helped normalize that view among those coming across it during their work. context matters. if you read playboy at home, that's on you, but if it is found in the breakroom at an office then it has an effect on everyone working there.
- gardenhedge 4y ago
  "it undoubtedly helped normalize" You state this as a fact but it's just your opinion.
  - panarky 4y ago
    "You state this as a fact but it's just your opinion." You state this as a fact but it's just your opinion.
- kolinko 4y ago
  How could one be even remotely uncomfortable because of it? The part that was cropped looks like a normal portrait photo.
  - em-bee 4y ago
    fair question. i haven't looked at the picture to closely. how about if someone recognized the phto as coming from playboy and making a remark about that and some men laugh about it. a women knowing why they are laughing could feel uncomfortable about that.
maxbond 4y ago
She felt violated and wanted people to stop [ETA: Or not, see below]. Why isn't that harm? Why would using pornography in a professional context (outside of the pornography industry or other edge cases) be considered appropriate? Of course it's off-putting to people, women and otherwise. I just don't see your point at all.
- notch898a 4y ago
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  - maxbond 4y ago
    I think you are well aware that there's a difference between making a statement in bad faith and making it sincerely.
    - notch898a 4y ago
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- overthrow 4y ago
  People have projected that onto her, but it's not true. https://www.wired.com/story/finding-lena-the-patron-saint-of-jpegs/ https://www.wired.com/story/finding-lena-the-patron-saint-of... > In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said. Probably more harm has been done by the internet mob demanding she feel a certain way about her picture, than any harm done by the image itself.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    My mistake on that claim, I still roll my eyes at people who say it's totally normal and okay. How many racey pictures of men have been canonicalized like that? There's a leering element to it.
    - 4y ago
nkuttler 4y ago
It seems bizarre, she was a model and presumably the photo was created while she was doing her job? The cautionary tale seems to be "don't sell rights to pictures of yourself".

Read the link.

we don't know the harm, because we don't know how many women encountered this image and may have been made uncomfortable because of it. we also don't know how many men felt encouraged in their sexism upon encountering this image. while the image didn't make men sexist, it undoubtedly helped normalize that view among those coming across it during their work. context matters. if you read playboy at home, that's on you, but if it is found in the breakroom at an office then it has an effect on everyone working there.

gardenhedge 4y ago
"it undoubtedly helped normalize" You state this as a fact but it's just your opinion.
- panarky 4y ago
  "You state this as a fact but it's just your opinion." You state this as a fact but it's just your opinion.
kolinko 4y ago
How could one be even remotely uncomfortable because of it? The part that was cropped looks like a normal portrait photo.
- em-bee 4y ago
  fair question. i haven't looked at the picture to closely. how about if someone recognized the phto as coming from playboy and making a remark about that and some men laugh about it. a women knowing why they are laughing could feel uncomfortable about that.

maxbond 4y ago

She felt violated and wanted people to stop [ETA: Or not, see below]. Why isn't that harm? Why would using pornography in a professional context (outside of the pornography industry or other edge cases) be considered appropriate? Of course it's off-putting to people, women and otherwise. I just don't see your point at all.

notch898a 4y ago
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- maxbond 4y ago
  I think you are well aware that there's a difference between making a statement in bad faith and making it sincerely.
  - notch898a 4y ago
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overthrow 4y ago
People have projected that onto her, but it's not true. https://www.wired.com/story/finding-lena-the-patron-saint-of-jpegs/ https://www.wired.com/story/finding-lena-the-patron-saint-of... > In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said. Probably more harm has been done by the internet mob demanding she feel a certain way about her picture, than any harm done by the image itself.
- maxbond 4y ago
  My mistake on that claim, I still roll my eyes at people who say it's totally normal and okay. How many racey pictures of men have been canonicalized like that? There's a leering element to it.
  - 4y ago

nkuttler 4y ago

It seems bizarre, she was a model and presumably the photo was created while she was doing her job? The cautionary tale seems to be "don't sell rights to pictures of yourself".