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I agree that we should find a better deterrence, but can we cool it with blaming “capitalism”? Is socialism some new drug that will suddenly eradicate selfishne

by vxNsr 4y ago

I agree that we should find a better deterrence, but can we cool it with blaming “capitalism”? Is socialism some new drug that will suddenly eradicate selfishness? Has there ever been a documented case of a society that went socialist and no one did anything selfish? The problem isn’t the system, it’s the people. There is no amount of “process improvement” that is gonna change basic human nature.

runarberg 4y ago
I never blamed capitalism for this. I merely stated that this happens under capitalism, and it keeps happening, even when the justice system is applied in an effort of deterrence. Now I do believe that capitalism is a bad system that should be abolished. However I am aware that that isn’t going to happen any time soon. In the meantime I’ll settle for companies and CEOs being held responsible for the crimes they commit under the influence of the profit motive. I’d also be happy if we would do something to abolish the class of ultra-wealthy, or at the very least strip them off their influence over our democracy.
- vxNsr 4y ago
  You are explicitly blaming capitalism for this, as you seem to imply some other system wouldn't allow for human greed and selfishness, but my point was that those are natural human traits and every single societal system ever conceived must deal with them. There is no system that can be created that will somehow magically remove those traits. If you wanna abolish capitalism, what system do you think should take it's place that wouldn't have human selfishness? Just to be clear: > I merely stated that this happens under capitalism, and it keeps happening, even when the justice system is applied in an effort of deterrence. is an explicit accusation against capitalism in exclusion of some other system. As I said, above, humans have been negligent since time immemorial. People put in charge of companies in socialist systems are also criminally negligent, usually though there are even fewer consequences for them.

by vxNsr 4y ago

runarberg 4y ago

I never blamed capitalism for this. I merely stated that this happens under capitalism, and it keeps happening, even when the justice system is applied in an effort of deterrence. Now I do believe that capitalism is a bad system that should be abolished. However I am aware that that isn’t going to happen any time soon. In the meantime I’ll settle for companies and CEOs being held responsible for the crimes they commit under the influence of the profit motive. I’d also be happy if we would do something to abolish the class of ultra-wealthy, or at the very least strip them off their influence over our democracy.

vxNsr 4y ago
You are explicitly blaming capitalism for this, as you seem to imply some other system wouldn't allow for human greed and selfishness, but my point was that those are natural human traits and every single societal system ever conceived must deal with them. There is no system that can be created that will somehow magically remove those traits. If you wanna abolish capitalism, what system do you think should take it's place that wouldn't have human selfishness? Just to be clear: > I merely stated that this happens under capitalism, and it keeps happening, even when the justice system is applied in an effort of deterrence. is an explicit accusation against capitalism in exclusion of some other system. As I said, above, humans have been negligent since time immemorial. People put in charge of companies in socialist systems are also criminally negligent, usually though there are even fewer consequences for them.