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Your comparing a safe big city to the safest big city. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I didn't say SF was the safest city in the country.

by cmh89 4y ago

miles 4y ago
> I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. “San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.”
- cmh89 4y ago
  The definition of danger is 'able or likely to cause harm or injury.' From Google/Oxford. I said "San Francisco isn't anywhere close to *most dangerous city* in the United States." You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part.
  - miles 4y ago
    > You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part. No, it's just a definition of "dangerous" much closer to Merriam-Websters' first entry for the word[1]: "involving possible injury, pain, harm, or loss" If you do not consider carjackings, break-ins, burglaries, and the like to be dangerous, we simply have different working definitions, that's all. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous
    - cmh89 4y ago
      Does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings, break-ins, and burglaries? I've never heard of San Francisco having frequent carjackings or break-ins, or even burglaries. It's mostly petty theft like smashing a car window or stealing a bike. You're trying to use the amount of petty theft, which does suck, to pretend that San Francisco is a dangerous city, which its not. If you look at just violent crimes, San Francisco isn't in the conversation.
      - miles 4y ago
        > Does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings, break-ins, and burglaries? Vehicle thefts and carjackings spike in major US cities[1]: "The number of carjackings - defined as auto theft or attempted theft by force or threat - rose by 24% in seven cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Memphis, Norfolk and San Francisco." Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says[2] Perhaps most tellingly[3]: "In September 2022, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that a poll of 1,653 city residents found that over the past five years, 45% of San Francisco residents had been the victim of theft and 24% had been either been threatened with violence or had been the victim of a violent crime.[4]" > If you look at just violent crimes If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent", I would certainly agree with you. My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco." [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64414985 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64414985 [2] https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/nearly-half-of-san-franciscans-have-been-victims-of-theft-new-poll-says/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/nearly-half-of-san-f... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_San_Francisco [4] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfpd-17439346.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfp... [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457841
        cmh89 4y ago
        >"The number of carjackings - defined as auto theft or attempted theft by force or threat - rose by 24% in seven cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Memphis, Norfolk and San Francisco." Cool. If your town has one carjacking, and the next it has two, thats a big increase. So again, I'll repeat, does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings? >Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says Yes, petty theft is rampant there. >If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent", Just to clarify, we were always talking about violent crimes. Carjacking and break-ins are violent crimes. Petty theft is not. The conversation is not "shifting", you are just applying the word dangerous to situations where it doesn't apply. >My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco." That's irrelevant to our conversation.

Your comparing a safe big city to the safest big city. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I didn't say SF was the safest city in the country.

by cmh89 4y ago

Your comparing a safe big city to the safest big city. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I didn't say SF was the safest city in the country.

miles 4y ago

> I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. “San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.”

cmh89 4y ago
The definition of danger is 'able or likely to cause harm or injury.' From Google/Oxford. I said "San Francisco isn't anywhere close to *most dangerous city* in the United States." You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part.
- miles 4y ago
  > You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part. No, it's just a definition of "dangerous" much closer to Merriam-Websters' first entry for the word[1]: "involving possible injury, pain, harm, or loss" If you do not consider carjackings, break-ins, burglaries, and the like to be dangerous, we simply have different working definitions, that's all. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous
  - cmh89 4y ago
    Does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings, break-ins, and burglaries? I've never heard of San Francisco having frequent carjackings or break-ins, or even burglaries. It's mostly petty theft like smashing a car window or stealing a bike. You're trying to use the amount of petty theft, which does suck, to pretend that San Francisco is a dangerous city, which its not. If you look at just violent crimes, San Francisco isn't in the conversation.
    - miles 4y ago
      > Does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings, break-ins, and burglaries? Vehicle thefts and carjackings spike in major US cities[1]: "The number of carjackings - defined as auto theft or attempted theft by force or threat - rose by 24% in seven cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Memphis, Norfolk and San Francisco." Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says[2] Perhaps most tellingly[3]: "In September 2022, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that a poll of 1,653 city residents found that over the past five years, 45% of San Francisco residents had been the victim of theft and 24% had been either been threatened with violence or had been the victim of a violent crime.[4]" > If you look at just violent crimes If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent", I would certainly agree with you. My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco." [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64414985 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64414985 [2] https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/nearly-half-of-san-franciscans-have-been-victims-of-theft-new-poll-says/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/nearly-half-of-san-f... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_San_Francisco [4] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfpd-17439346.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfp... [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457841
      - cmh89 4y ago
        >"The number of carjackings - defined as auto theft or attempted theft by force or threat - rose by 24% in seven cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Memphis, Norfolk and San Francisco." Cool. If your town has one carjacking, and the next it has two, thats a big increase. So again, I'll repeat, does San Francisco have a lot of carjackings? >Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says Yes, petty theft is rampant there. >If we are shifting the conversation from "dangerous" to "violent", Just to clarify, we were always talking about violent crimes. Carjacking and break-ins are violent crimes. Petty theft is not. The conversation is not "shifting", you are just applying the word dangerous to situations where it doesn't apply. >My concern is similar to that expressed by huevosabio[5] based on his experience in Mexico: "Every crime that goes unprosecuted is an invitation for a repeat crime. This is as true in Juarez as it is in San Francisco." That's irrelevant to our conversation.