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Every libertarian has been saying this and it is just not true. The gangsters switch to harder and more addictive stuff, and the libertarian escalation chain co

Every libertarian has been saying this and it is just not true. The gangsters switch to harder and more addictive stuff, and the libertarian escalation chain continues. "Just legalize it all, bro." I'd rather not have downtown be monopolized by people consumed by addiction, which is what your solution would directly cause. The myopia libertarians have about the mean self control of the population in question seems to know no bounds. Not everyone can just "do some opioids" once in a while and be fine (I suspect the % of the population is that can actually do this is approximately zero).

trafficante 4y ago
I wish someone would meme the concept of Chesterton’s Fence into the public consciousness. Whole lot of “I don’t know why this fence is here, but it’s gotta go” behavior ripping apart thousands of years of collective/cultural moral development - and the proffered alternative is an abysmal mashup of Alister Crowley and early 2000’s internet libertarianism. Most remarkable is how “Do As Thou Wilt If It’s Consensual” has become the dominant ethos of even the left. Back in my Occupy days, we used to joke a lot about the goal being Star Trek style “gay luxury space communism” - I guess they figured “one outta four ain’t bad”.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  The spirituality of libertarianism tends to be on the hollow side (as evidenced by other “just let them die, bro” comments elsewhere). I learned long ago to consider libertarianism to be little more than an attitude about trying to satisfy one’s own vices and not a serious attempt at any sort of governing philosophy for society.
amanaplanacanal 4y ago
Somehow the lessons we learned from making alcohol illegal have been completely forgotten.
A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
<< "Just legalize it all, bro." At the end of the day, it really should be just that. Legalize, standardize and actually enforce it ( because as it turns out, legalization did fuck all to that with exception of medical grade stuff ). Then let people do what they have always done anyway. And the freedom still ends precisely where I and my property starts. I suffer no illusions. People will die. But they are dying anyway. We might as well make them die in a predictable way ( and by their own choice ). So yeah. Legalize and then enforce it bro. It is not rocket science.
apple4ever 4y ago
The second doesn't follow from the first. Allowing people to buy and sell doesn't mean they must be allowed to do it openly on the streets or freely cause trouble.

trafficante 4y ago

I wish someone would meme the concept of Chesterton’s Fence into the public consciousness. Whole lot of “I don’t know why this fence is here, but it’s gotta go” behavior ripping apart thousands of years of collective/cultural moral development - and the proffered alternative is an abysmal mashup of Alister Crowley and early 2000’s internet libertarianism. Most remarkable is how “Do As Thou Wilt If It’s Consensual” has become the dominant ethos of even the left. Back in my Occupy days, we used to joke a lot about the goal being Star Trek style “gay luxury space communism” - I guess they figured “one outta four ain’t bad”.

remarkEon 4y ago
The spirituality of libertarianism tends to be on the hollow side (as evidenced by other “just let them die, bro” comments elsewhere). I learned long ago to consider libertarianism to be little more than an attitude about trying to satisfy one’s own vices and not a serious attempt at any sort of governing philosophy for society.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago

Somehow the lessons we learned from making alcohol illegal have been completely forgotten.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago

<< "Just legalize it all, bro." At the end of the day, it really should be just that. Legalize, standardize and actually enforce it ( because as it turns out, legalization did fuck all to that with exception of medical grade stuff ). Then let people do what they have always done anyway. And the freedom still ends precisely where I and my property starts. I suffer no illusions. People will die. But they are dying anyway. We might as well make them die in a predictable way ( and by their own choice ). So yeah. Legalize and then enforce it bro. It is not rocket science.

apple4ever 4y ago

The second doesn't follow from the first. Allowing people to buy and sell doesn't mean they must be allowed to do it openly on the streets or freely cause trouble.