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As far as I can tell, the only people who moved to Mastodon are the people who are REALLY tuned into Twitter rage, aka the super insufferable ones. Most people

by tekla 4y ago

As far as I can tell, the only people who moved to Mastodon are the people who are REALLY tuned into Twitter rage, aka the super insufferable ones. Most people seem to be just fine continuing the normal shitposting and whatever on Twitter.

KerrAvon 4y ago
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- kranke155 4y ago
  Define Nazi
  - mcv 4y ago
    I don't see enough evidence that Musk is a Nazi, but he does seem more fine with Nazis than with people who disagree with him. Twitter is slowly turning into his private propaganda network. It's entirely reasonable to look for something better.
    - krapp 4y ago
      I suggest "Nazi adjacent" to describe people like Elon, who don't hold explicitly white supremacist, racist or anti-semitic beliefs (that we're aware of) but who seem to find camaraderie with such people out of a common disdain for "the wokes."
      - lapcat 4y ago
        I think the "Nazi" epithet just shows a lack of imagination and historical knowledge by those who use it, basically Godwin's Law exemplified. After all, on the American side, the Confederacy predated Nazi Germany by 70 years or so, and with regard to Musk, he comes from South Africa with its own history of Apartheid, so there are much more relevant antecedents, if you want to go there. It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad". To be honest, it's difficult for me to take anyone seriously who throws it around like that, regardless of how I feel about the target of the insults. (I'd say the same about "woke" too, by the way.)
        krapp 4y ago
        > It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad". Well... yes. Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialist Workers' Party.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. Yes, but I'm old enough to remember being told that we should "never forget" the Holocaust. Perhaps people are already forgetting though. I think it's a mistake, indeed a moral error, to trivialize this word. > No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialist Workers' Party. The problem is that hyperbole never helps one's case, only makes it worse.
        mcv 4y ago
        Some people have already forgotten, but many others do remember the holocaust, and are quite alarmed by recent developments. As Mike Godwin said: it's okay to call them Nazis if they do behave like that. It had become a meaningless word back when Godwin coined his law, but not anymore. There really is a strong push towards some form of fascism, in the US, in Russia, and in many places in Europe. It's important to call it out and to fight it.
        lapcat 4y ago
        Well, fascism is another one of those words thrown about too casually and inaccurately nowadays. Going back to my original comment, though, my thesis wasn't that people have forgotten the Holocaust but rather the opposite: people seem to have no historical awareness or metaphors except from World War II. This may explain how these terms such as Nazi and fascist become generic and constantly used hyperbolically: without any other intellectual resources to draw from, people are forced to employ this language inaccurately. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
      - kranke155 4y ago
        Having disdain for women culture means you're Nazi adjacent ?
        krapp 4y ago
        Depends. Did you spend 40 billion dollars to buy a social media platform you believe to be a "woke hivemind", unban the racists and bigots and force right-wing content into people's feeds just to fuck with them? Or more generally, are you tolerant of, or even willing to spread, racist and bigoted speech because you have an enemy in common? Because you agree more than you disagree? Are you willing to put up with the spread of right-wing authoritarianism just to see "the woke" suffer? When the nazis show up to your events, do you chase them away and denounce them, or let them be? If so then yeah, maybe.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  No, I don't care that Elon Musk is the owner of Twitter.
- 20throw20 4y ago
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mcv 4y ago
Depends on what you mean by "insufferable". The people who moved to Mastodon include people like Stephen Fry and Neil Gaiman. If that's your definition of insufferable, then please stay on Twitter. There's significantly less shitposting on the Fediverse than on Twitter, though probably more on Mastodon than on other parts of the Fediverse.
- enslavedrobot 4y ago
  Neil Gaiman is still very active on twitter. He even bought a blue check mark.
  - mcv 4y ago
    Maybe he moved back again. I haven't seen him post that much, recently. A couple of months ago he was more active.

by tekla 4y ago

KerrAvon 4y ago

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kranke155 4y ago
Define Nazi
- mcv 4y ago
  I don't see enough evidence that Musk is a Nazi, but he does seem more fine with Nazis than with people who disagree with him. Twitter is slowly turning into his private propaganda network. It's entirely reasonable to look for something better.
  - krapp 4y ago
    I suggest "Nazi adjacent" to describe people like Elon, who don't hold explicitly white supremacist, racist or anti-semitic beliefs (that we're aware of) but who seem to find camaraderie with such people out of a common disdain for "the wokes."
    - lapcat 4y ago
      I think the "Nazi" epithet just shows a lack of imagination and historical knowledge by those who use it, basically Godwin's Law exemplified. After all, on the American side, the Confederacy predated Nazi Germany by 70 years or so, and with regard to Musk, he comes from South Africa with its own history of Apartheid, so there are much more relevant antecedents, if you want to go there. It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad". To be honest, it's difficult for me to take anyone seriously who throws it around like that, regardless of how I feel about the target of the insults. (I'd say the same about "woke" too, by the way.)
      - krapp 4y ago
        > It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty, generic stand-in for "really bad". Well... yes. Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialist Workers' Party.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > Language evolves and terms generalize over time as the context in which they're used gains distance from their original meaning. Yes, but I'm old enough to remember being told that we should "never forget" the Holocaust. Perhaps people are already forgetting though. I think it's a mistake, indeed a moral error, to trivialize this word. > No one is accusing Elon Musk of being a member of the German National Socialist Workers' Party. The problem is that hyperbole never helps one's case, only makes it worse.
        mcv 4y ago
        Some people have already forgotten, but many others do remember the holocaust, and are quite alarmed by recent developments. As Mike Godwin said: it's okay to call them Nazis if they do behave like that. It had become a meaningless word back when Godwin coined his law, but not anymore. There really is a strong push towards some form of fascism, in the US, in Russia, and in many places in Europe. It's important to call it out and to fight it.
        lapcat 4y ago
        Well, fascism is another one of those words thrown about too casually and inaccurately nowadays. Going back to my original comment, though, my thesis wasn't that people have forgotten the Holocaust but rather the opposite: people seem to have no historical awareness or metaphors except from World War II. This may explain how these terms such as Nazi and fascist become generic and constantly used hyperbolically: without any other intellectual resources to draw from, people are forced to employ this language inaccurately. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
    - kranke155 4y ago
      Having disdain for women culture means you're Nazi adjacent ?
      - krapp 4y ago
        Depends. Did you spend 40 billion dollars to buy a social media platform you believe to be a "woke hivemind", unban the racists and bigots and force right-wing content into people's feeds just to fuck with them? Or more generally, are you tolerant of, or even willing to spread, racist and bigoted speech because you have an enemy in common? Because you agree more than you disagree? Are you willing to put up with the spread of right-wing authoritarianism just to see "the woke" suffer? When the nazis show up to your events, do you chase them away and denounce them, or let them be? If so then yeah, maybe.
hot_gril 4y ago
No, I don't care that Elon Musk is the owner of Twitter.
20throw20 4y ago
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mcv 4y ago

Depends on what you mean by "insufferable". The people who moved to Mastodon include people like Stephen Fry and Neil Gaiman. If that's your definition of insufferable, then please stay on Twitter. There's significantly less shitposting on the Fediverse than on Twitter, though probably more on Mastodon than on other parts of the Fediverse.

enslavedrobot 4y ago
Neil Gaiman is still very active on twitter. He even bought a blue check mark.
- mcv 4y ago
  Maybe he moved back again. I haven't seen him post that much, recently. A couple of months ago he was more active.