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Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai are all places that practice extreme police/state overreach unacceptable by western standards. I don't consider a city that will

Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai are all places that practice extreme police/state overreach unacceptable by western standards. I don't consider a city that will have a person flogged for littering a safe place.

rippercushions 3y ago
You will not get flogged for littering in any of those, although Singapore famously does have judicial caning for intentional vandalism. And unlike the US, you are extremely unlikely to get shot by the police. Edit: It's applied rarely and only for egregious cases, eg breaking into a depot to spray-paint subway cars and getting caught on CCTV doing it. There are plenty of things to criticize about Singapore (for one, there's a lot less oversight on prisoners getting caned as an administrative punishment), but the way they handle vandalism isn't really at the top of my list, not least because it's remarkably effective.
- throwaway60701 3y ago
  Oh it's caning and only sometimes, well then that's absolutely fine. ... No it isn't. Absolutely not. No way. Never coming there. Damn this place. Doesn't matter what the offense has to be, it's never fine. Do you think that each and every judgement of judicial caning was correct? That mistakes can't happen?
  - mooseknees 3y ago
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- kareemsabri 3y ago
  People will get up in arms over caning but throw 20 year olds in jail for 25 years.
inglor_cz 3y ago
"a city that will have a person flogged for littering" Isn't this mostly a myth? You will get fined for littering in Singapore just like elsewhere, though their fines are higher and the police arguably enforces laws against littering more eagerly than in the West. Caning (not flogging) is reserved for more serious offences (IIRC the lightest one is vandalism.) Dubai employs flogging, but for Shariah offences, not for littering. Hong Kong doesn't use judicial corporeal punishment at all.
- rippercushions 3y ago
  Yes. The normal punishment for littering in Singapore is a fine, while repeat offenders may get Corrective Work Orders, meaning having to pick trash off roads while wearing a yellow flouro vest saying so. Caning is not on the menu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_work_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_work_order
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> Dubai ... practice extreme police/state overreach Like all 'proper oldschool' conservative societies, in Dubai laws is applied only to the 'right people'. For example extramarital sex is a crime, but if you open Tinder it's full of hookers.

rippercushions 3y ago

You will not get flogged for littering in any of those, although Singapore famously does have judicial caning for intentional vandalism. And unlike the US, you are extremely unlikely to get shot by the police. Edit: It's applied rarely and only for egregious cases, eg breaking into a depot to spray-paint subway cars and getting caught on CCTV doing it. There are plenty of things to criticize about Singapore (for one, there's a lot less oversight on prisoners getting caned as an administrative punishment), but the way they handle vandalism isn't really at the top of my list, not least because it's remarkably effective.

throwaway60701 3y ago
Oh it's caning and only sometimes, well then that's absolutely fine. ... No it isn't. Absolutely not. No way. Never coming there. Damn this place. Doesn't matter what the offense has to be, it's never fine. Do you think that each and every judgement of judicial caning was correct? That mistakes can't happen?
- mooseknees 3y ago
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kareemsabri 3y ago
People will get up in arms over caning but throw 20 year olds in jail for 25 years.

inglor_cz 3y ago

"a city that will have a person flogged for littering" Isn't this mostly a myth? You will get fined for littering in Singapore just like elsewhere, though their fines are higher and the police arguably enforces laws against littering more eagerly than in the West. Caning (not flogging) is reserved for more serious offences (IIRC the lightest one is vandalism.) Dubai employs flogging, but for Shariah offences, not for littering. Hong Kong doesn't use judicial corporeal punishment at all.

rippercushions 3y ago
Yes. The normal punishment for littering in Singapore is a fine, while repeat offenders may get Corrective Work Orders, meaning having to pick trash off roads while wearing a yellow flouro vest saying so. Caning is not on the menu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_work_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_work_order

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

> Dubai ... practice extreme police/state overreach Like all 'proper oldschool' conservative societies, in Dubai laws is applied only to the 'right people'. For example extramarital sex is a crime, but if you open Tinder it's full of hookers.