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People that keep whining about privacy and all have never tried to build a business where you need insights and data to not put your company out of business. It

People that keep whining about privacy and all have never tried to build a business where you need insights and data to not put your company out of business. It’s all a matter of perspective and not all black and white. The truth is to be found in the middle

JohnFen 4y ago
This isn't true at all. I've been in this business a long time, and have developed several very successful products. I know that this sort of data is very useful to a business. But I also know that it's abusive and wrong to extract this data without my customers agreeing to it. While this data is very valuable, not having it isn't an existential issue for any company (or, if it is, that's because there's something very wrong with how the company operates.) > The truth is to be found in the middle Hard disagree. This is an issue of consent, and I don't see how there's a middle ground for consent.
barnabee 4y ago
The success of your business isn't my problem. The fact that you may have incentives to do bad things is just a reason society should make laws against you doing them, not a reason I should feel sorry for you and let you spy on me.
earthling8118 4y ago
Okay, I'll offer up a perspective for you: the company should just go out of business then. If you need it that bad for success, then that is a signal that you aren't supposed to succeed. Full stop.
toastercat 4y ago
Just make it opt-in. The real problem here is that is that these products send data by default without explicit consent. Ask yourself this question: do you think most people who use these tools know that their data is being sent? Probably not, right? OK, of those people, do you think 100% of them will be totally OK with their data being collected once they find out? Probably not, right? Then why the fuck do this? > But then no one opts in! OK that is your business' problem to solve.

JohnFen 4y ago

This isn't true at all. I've been in this business a long time, and have developed several very successful products. I know that this sort of data is very useful to a business. But I also know that it's abusive and wrong to extract this data without my customers agreeing to it. While this data is very valuable, not having it isn't an existential issue for any company (or, if it is, that's because there's something very wrong with how the company operates.) > The truth is to be found in the middle Hard disagree. This is an issue of consent, and I don't see how there's a middle ground for consent.

barnabee 4y ago

The success of your business isn't my problem. The fact that you may have incentives to do bad things is just a reason society should make laws against you doing them, not a reason I should feel sorry for you and let you spy on me.

earthling8118 4y ago

Okay, I'll offer up a perspective for you: the company should just go out of business then. If you need it that bad for success, then that is a signal that you aren't supposed to succeed. Full stop.

toastercat 4y ago

Just make it opt-in. The real problem here is that is that these products send data by default without explicit consent. Ask yourself this question: do you think most people who use these tools know that their data is being sent? Probably not, right? OK, of those people, do you think 100% of them will be totally OK with their data being collected once they find out? Probably not, right? Then why the fuck do this? > But then no one opts in! OK that is your business' problem to solve.