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Is it more that new money can't just roll into SF local politics and make anything happen, or is it a question of not doing the work? > eg. Sacks has hosted fu

Is it more that new money can't just roll into SF local politics and make anything happen, or is it a question of not doing the work? > eg. Sacks has hosted fundraisers for both Ro Khanna and DeSantis within a week of each other That's an interesting contrast. But if Sacks' Overton window is roughly the area between Khanna and RDS, even though that's a pretty wide spread on the national level, I have the feeling that puts him well to the right of SF, to the point that he might have trouble finding anyone to support in local politics. It certainly would work out that way in Seattle, at least.

alephnerd 4y ago
It's a LOT of work. There are 11 Board of Supervisor members, 7 SFUSD Board Members, and numerous additional local elected supervisory positions. On top of that, elections being elections, you need to make alliances with Interest Groups that will rally voters to your candidate. All this takes a lot of time and money which has little impact outside of this 49 square mile rock on the Pacific Coast. You could better use that time (the most expensive part) and money to have an actual impact at the State or Federal level, which can have an actual lasting impact. Also, people forget how insular and parochial SF is because it's a smaller city by US and California standards: within California, Los Angeles City is 3.8mil, San Diego City is 1.3mil, and San Jose is 1mil - while San Francisco is barely 800k, roughly comparble to the City of Seattle or City of Charlotte, NC. You almost never hear about Seattle or Charlotte city politics despite both being equally as dysfunctional and sharing similar issues. > he might have trouble finding anyone to support in local politics Money speaks. Why else would Bernie Sander's protege and Donald Trump's former protege turned rival kiss the ring of the exact same billionare. For example, all SF Progressive politicians de facto HAVE to stump at an (imo extremely overpriced) cafe called Manny's (they have OK hummus, but Oasis Grill across the street is way better and a fraction of the cost), owned by an ex-FB lobbyist and personal friend of Zuck named Manny Yekutiel. And SF city politicians are fine taking money from Marc Benioff even though Salesforce has massive contracts with ICE and the DoD. If the other local business tycoons who live in SF actually cared enough about SF, they'd be playing a role in the local politics as well. But, as they don't due to time constraints, what ends up happening is Old Money Real Estate families in SF are able to have an oversized impact on electoral politics in the city.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > You almost never hear about Seattle or Charlotte city politics I hear about Seattle politics (particularly policing) all the time, and its not something I live near or actively seek out. Heck, outside of HN, which has kind of an obsessive focus on SF, I see that more than SF politics (HN seems to blend tech indusry focus which concnetrates on SF with the right-wing ideologic obsession with SF [0].) [0] Not saying HN is universally, or predominantly, right-wing, just has a sizable enough vocal group that it enhances the focus that comes from HN’s industry focus.
  - alephnerd 4y ago
    > I hear about Seattle politics (particularly policing) all the time, and its not something I live near or actively seek out. It might be a regional bias. For example, I've had friends living in NYC and Boston who are nowhere near politics chat to me about SF local politics, but similar conversations don't occur about Seattle or Charlotte or Cincinnati local politics at the national level. A lot of this is probably also age+class dependent - a lot of the major players in SF city politics are in their 30s-40s and went to the same handful of elite high schools and universities as VCs, IBs, and top SWEs. > sizable enough vocal group that it enhances the focus that comes from HN’s industry focus I feel a lot of that is due to the lack of diversity on HN. Like I've seen A LOT of racially biased conversations on this board (and that has turned off other people in my age demographic from perusing HN).
    - philwelch 4y ago
      The most interesting story in Seattle was probably CHAZ/CHOP, and that ended almost 3 years ago now, so there isn't really anything left to discuss. The mayor ended her career in disgrace, but then again, every Seattle mayor ends their career in disgrace. Meanwhile the most interesting story in SF politics was probably Chesa Boudin, and he only got recalled a year ago. So that's a much more recent and much more interesting controversy for people to talk about. Also, there's a direct New York connection because of his father's clemency case there.
- philwelch 4y ago

alephnerd 4y ago

It's a LOT of work. There are 11 Board of Supervisor members, 7 SFUSD Board Members, and numerous additional local elected supervisory positions. On top of that, elections being elections, you need to make alliances with Interest Groups that will rally voters to your candidate. All this takes a lot of time and money which has little impact outside of this 49 square mile rock on the Pacific Coast. You could better use that time (the most expensive part) and money to have an actual impact at the State or Federal level, which can have an actual lasting impact. Also, people forget how insular and parochial SF is because it's a smaller city by US and California standards: within California, Los Angeles City is 3.8mil, San Diego City is 1.3mil, and San Jose is 1mil - while San Francisco is barely 800k, roughly comparble to the City of Seattle or City of Charlotte, NC. You almost never hear about Seattle or Charlotte city politics despite both being equally as dysfunctional and sharing similar issues. > he might have trouble finding anyone to support in local politics Money speaks. Why else would Bernie Sander's protege and Donald Trump's former protege turned rival kiss the ring of the exact same billionare. For example, all SF Progressive politicians de facto HAVE to stump at an (imo extremely overpriced) cafe called Manny's (they have OK hummus, but Oasis Grill across the street is way better and a fraction of the cost), owned by an ex-FB lobbyist and personal friend of Zuck named Manny Yekutiel. And SF city politicians are fine taking money from Marc Benioff even though Salesforce has massive contracts with ICE and the DoD. If the other local business tycoons who live in SF actually cared enough about SF, they'd be playing a role in the local politics as well. But, as they don't due to time constraints, what ends up happening is Old Money Real Estate families in SF are able to have an oversized impact on electoral politics in the city.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> You almost never hear about Seattle or Charlotte city politics I hear about Seattle politics (particularly policing) all the time, and its not something I live near or actively seek out. Heck, outside of HN, which has kind of an obsessive focus on SF, I see that more than SF politics (HN seems to blend tech indusry focus which concnetrates on SF with the right-wing ideologic obsession with SF [0].) [0] Not saying HN is universally, or predominantly, right-wing, just has a sizable enough vocal group that it enhances the focus that comes from HN’s industry focus.
- alephnerd 4y ago
  > I hear about Seattle politics (particularly policing) all the time, and its not something I live near or actively seek out. It might be a regional bias. For example, I've had friends living in NYC and Boston who are nowhere near politics chat to me about SF local politics, but similar conversations don't occur about Seattle or Charlotte or Cincinnati local politics at the national level. A lot of this is probably also age+class dependent - a lot of the major players in SF city politics are in their 30s-40s and went to the same handful of elite high schools and universities as VCs, IBs, and top SWEs. > sizable enough vocal group that it enhances the focus that comes from HN’s industry focus I feel a lot of that is due to the lack of diversity on HN. Like I've seen A LOT of racially biased conversations on this board (and that has turned off other people in my age demographic from perusing HN).
  - philwelch 4y ago
    The most interesting story in Seattle was probably CHAZ/CHOP, and that ended almost 3 years ago now, so there isn't really anything left to discuss. The mayor ended her career in disgrace, but then again, every Seattle mayor ends their career in disgrace. Meanwhile the most interesting story in SF politics was probably Chesa Boudin, and he only got recalled a year ago. So that's a much more recent and much more interesting controversy for people to talk about. Also, there's a direct New York connection because of his father's clemency case there.
philwelch 4y ago