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Possible access to, and control of, most of the world's top chip manufacturing node fabs. > other than nationalistic fervor And as you said, this. Jingoism ca

Possible access to, and control of, most of the world's top chip manufacturing node fabs. > other than nationalistic fervor And as you said, this. Jingoism can be used to bolster those in power. I don't know that Xi could use this boost at this point in his career, but as he seems to want to be Chairman-for-life, he may need it eventually.

b112 4y ago
Possible access to, and control of, most of the world's top chip manufacturing node fabs. They don't know how to run them, maintain them, use them. If they did, they'd have built their own. Only people help them here. And yet, they still don't have them. If China invaded tomorrow, just the power loss alone would render those fabs into useless tech, taking months to clean and repair. And they'd still gain nothing, for you can be sure China's tech spies have taken notes, pictures, stolen data, know all they would know, if they seized them in war.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  They could temporarily deny access to these nodes to other states. > Only people help them here. How many Hong Kongers aligned with the party after the preemptive takeover of the Hong Kong government? How many people simply cared more about making a living than fighting for their old political and legal system?
  - augment001 4y ago
    They didn’t have the benefit of seeing the example of what happened in Hong Kong.
dmix 4y ago
There is no scenario where that is a worthy trade off for the immense costs.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  According to whom?
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  Sure there is. The scenario is that you're the decision maker and don't have to personally suffer the immense costs.
- macintux 4y ago
  The cost will be born by other Chinese, not him.
lenkite 4y ago
Not really. The U.S. really has its blinkers fully on if folks think that controlling the node fabs is a reason for the Chinese invasion. They are not dumbos - they know the foundries will be destroyed immediately. The reason is simple - China has always considered Taiwan part of China and the U.S. agreed to that position, before it first became "strategic ambiguity" and then it became "Taiwanese Independence" under President Biden. Judge this honestly: Do you really think a super-power is going to accept a non-friendly island next door to it militarised by an opponent super-power allowing it to project power just on its border ? Do you think the U.S. would accept Chinese military aid to Cuba with the Cubans armed with Chinese weapons and the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba ? If you know an American military officer, ask this question to him and watch him laugh at you. The Chinese would be bombed within 48 hours - hell the ships would be taken out before military supplies even reached Cuba. The U.S. could afford to play the game of asymmetric dominance because they were the sole super-power after the Cold War. That is no longer true.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  > U.S. agreed to that position Yes, but the US never agreed which government would be the sole government of a united China. > Do you really think a super-power is going to accept a non-friendly island next door to it militarised by an opponent super-power allowing it to project power just on its border ? This was happening through the entire Cold War between Russia and the US in the Aleutian islands. It's the status quo change of nuclear missiles in Cuba that prompted the Cuban missile crisis, prior to that Russian troops and arms were present in Cuba without any deepening of the conflict.
- ProjectArcturis 4y ago
  >Do you think the U.S. would accept Chinese military aid to Cuba with the Cubans armed with Chinese weapons and the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba ? We accepted this exact scenario during the Cold War with Soviet troops. We wouldn't start a nuclear war to kick them out.
akimball 4y ago
There is no scenario in which PRC invades Taiwan and the taiwanese chip fabs remain intact

b112 4y ago

Possible access to, and control of, most of the world's top chip manufacturing node fabs. They don't know how to run them, maintain them, use them. If they did, they'd have built their own. Only people help them here. And yet, they still don't have them. If China invaded tomorrow, just the power loss alone would render those fabs into useless tech, taking months to clean and repair. And they'd still gain nothing, for you can be sure China's tech spies have taken notes, pictures, stolen data, know all they would know, if they seized them in war.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
They could temporarily deny access to these nodes to other states. > Only people help them here. How many Hong Kongers aligned with the party after the preemptive takeover of the Hong Kong government? How many people simply cared more about making a living than fighting for their old political and legal system?
- augment001 4y ago
  They didn’t have the benefit of seeing the example of what happened in Hong Kong.

dmix 4y ago

There is no scenario where that is a worthy trade off for the immense costs.

edgyquant 4y ago
According to whom?
anonymouskimmer 4y ago
Sure there is. The scenario is that you're the decision maker and don't have to personally suffer the immense costs.
macintux 4y ago
The cost will be born by other Chinese, not him.

lenkite 4y ago

Not really. The U.S. really has its blinkers fully on if folks think that controlling the node fabs is a reason for the Chinese invasion. They are not dumbos - they know the foundries will be destroyed immediately. The reason is simple - China has always considered Taiwan part of China and the U.S. agreed to that position, before it first became "strategic ambiguity" and then it became "Taiwanese Independence" under President Biden. Judge this honestly: Do you really think a super-power is going to accept a non-friendly island next door to it militarised by an opponent super-power allowing it to project power just on its border ? Do you think the U.S. would accept Chinese military aid to Cuba with the Cubans armed with Chinese weapons and the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba ? If you know an American military officer, ask this question to him and watch him laugh at you. The Chinese would be bombed within 48 hours - hell the ships would be taken out before military supplies even reached Cuba. The U.S. could afford to play the game of asymmetric dominance because they were the sole super-power after the Cold War. That is no longer true.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> U.S. agreed to that position Yes, but the US never agreed which government would be the sole government of a united China. > Do you really think a super-power is going to accept a non-friendly island next door to it militarised by an opponent super-power allowing it to project power just on its border ? This was happening through the entire Cold War between Russia and the US in the Aleutian islands. It's the status quo change of nuclear missiles in Cuba that prompted the Cuban missile crisis, prior to that Russian troops and arms were present in Cuba without any deepening of the conflict.
ProjectArcturis 4y ago
>Do you think the U.S. would accept Chinese military aid to Cuba with the Cubans armed with Chinese weapons and the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba ? We accepted this exact scenario during the Cold War with Soviet troops. We wouldn't start a nuclear war to kick them out.

akimball 4y ago

There is no scenario in which PRC invades Taiwan and the taiwanese chip fabs remain intact