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NPCs don't quack like people. There's a reason no one was seriously having this argument(s) with the likes of Eliza(which is a step up from pre-recorded respons

NPCs don't quack like people. There's a reason no one was seriously having this argument(s) with the likes of Eliza(which is a step up from pre-recorded response NPCs). This goes beyond superficial production of text. In principle it's possible to track and reproduce all the neuron/synapse communications that happen in your brain in relation to any arbitrary input. Where's the subjective experience there? As far as anyone knows, qualia is emergent. Individual neurons or synapses don't have any understanding of anything. Subjective experience comes from all those units working together. A single ant doesn't display the intelligence/complexity of its colony.

root_axis 4y ago
> In principle it's possible to track and reproduce all the neuron/synapse communications that happen in your brain in relation to any arbitrary input This hypothetical is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The reality is that our understanding of the brain is exceedingly crude, a perceptron in software is not even close to the same thing as a neuron in the brain. A plane can never become a bird even though it is modeled after one. > A single ant doesn't display the intelligence/complexity of its colony. So do you think that an ant colony has subjective experience?
- famouswaffles 4y ago
  >This hypothetical is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Not really. Point is that unless you believe in mysticism/magic/spiritualism behind consciousness in the brain then it doesn't matter because the only difference is degree of understanding not implausibility. >So do you think that an ant colony has subjective experience? Sure it could. I don't know for sure. Nobody does. Humans don't see subjective experience. I can't prove that you have one. I'm just assuming you do. Same as you for anyone else.
  - root_axis 4y ago
    > Sure it could. I don't know for sure. Nobody does. Yet your comments don't reflect that kind of skepticism when referring to LLMs. However, if you're fine with the panpyschist conclusions that follow from your reasoning, we don't have much to disagree on.

root_axis 4y ago

> In principle it's possible to track and reproduce all the neuron/synapse communications that happen in your brain in relation to any arbitrary input This hypothetical is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The reality is that our understanding of the brain is exceedingly crude, a perceptron in software is not even close to the same thing as a neuron in the brain. A plane can never become a bird even though it is modeled after one. > A single ant doesn't display the intelligence/complexity of its colony. So do you think that an ant colony has subjective experience?

famouswaffles 4y ago
>This hypothetical is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Not really. Point is that unless you believe in mysticism/magic/spiritualism behind consciousness in the brain then it doesn't matter because the only difference is degree of understanding not implausibility. >So do you think that an ant colony has subjective experience? Sure it could. I don't know for sure. Nobody does. Humans don't see subjective experience. I can't prove that you have one. I'm just assuming you do. Same as you for anyone else.
- root_axis 4y ago
  > Sure it could. I don't know for sure. Nobody does. Yet your comments don't reflect that kind of skepticism when referring to LLMs. However, if you're fine with the panpyschist conclusions that follow from your reasoning, we don't have much to disagree on.