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I think its more a tit-for-tat response to previous US trade restrictions.
by barelysapient 4y ago
I think its more a tit-for-tat response to previous US trade restrictions.
- moose_man 4y agoI mean, the US move was tit-for-tat for a decade of militarizing the South China Sea, threatening war against Taiwan, undermining the US economy through stealing trade secrets and sponsoring national champions.
- vkou 4y agoOnly the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.
- gs17 4y agoThe Chinese simply call it the South Sea, but linguistic games don't change who in the region actively threatens to invade who.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea The U.S. doesn’t claim the sea as its sovereign waters. China does. (Which had the totally unpredictable effect of majorly pissing off every one of its maritime neighbours.)
- Animatronio 4y agoNot true, China's claims are best known in the West because everybody hates/fears them. But there are others - like the dispute between Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines regarding maritime borders.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> the dispute between Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines regarding maritime borders There are disputes over territorial waters and EEZs. China uniquely claims the whole damn thing, not as its exclusive economic zone, but its sovereign territory. The Philippines aren't asking for the right to tax ships passing through its EEZ, it just wants to fish and drill and mine them.
- Despegar 4y agoAll the countries in the region have overlapping claims to the waters, it's not unique to China.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoIncluding Taiwan, which makes almost exactly the same claims as China, and which occupies the largest of the islands in the South China Sea.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> Taiwan, which makes almost exactly the same claims as China Source? I've never heard of Taiwan claiming waters off the coasts of Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam as China does [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line#/media/File:9_dotted_line.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line#/media/File:9_d...
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoThe article you've linked to explains that Taiwan makes nearly the same claims as the PRC in the South China Sea. In fact, the famous "dashed-line" claims in the South China Sea were originally made by the Republic of China, before it was defeated by the Communists. This is a map from 1947, showing the ROC's eleven-dash line: [0]. The only difference that I know of between the claims of the ROC and the PRC is that the PRC has slightly reduced its claims as a result of an agreement with Vietnam over the naval boundary in the Gulf of Tonkin. 0. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1947_Nanhai_Zhudao.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1947_Nanhai_Zhudao.p...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> Taiwan makes nearly the same claims as the PRC in the South China Sea Taiwan doesn’t assert the claim [1]. There is sensitivity around explicitly abandoning it, as “changing the ROC’s historical claims would indicate—especially to Beijing—that the island democracy was abandoning its historical political identity and moving towards an inherently Taiwanese national identity, or even independence” [2]. To the degree Taipei has legitimately aligned with Beijing, it has been in the limited sense of arguing Taiwan is legally a real island, not an islet which cannot make any maritime claims [3][4]. [1] https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/07/15/2003651053 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/07/15/2... [2] https://globaltaiwan.org/2020/07/taiwans-delicate-balancing-act-in-the-south-china-sea/ https://globaltaiwan.org/2020/07/taiwans-delicate-balancing-... [3] https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/201607120024 https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/201607120024 [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/03/23/how-taiwan-could-lose-its-claim-to-the-south-china-sea/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/03/23/how-ta...
- asdff 4y agoThe Philippines do which might as well be the US claiming sovereignty, since they are a host of the US military and in a mutual defense agreement.
- Ekaros 4y agoSo I take USA has no maritime border? Or no territorial waters? That is new for me, but if you say so.
- NLPaep 4y agoWhich countries have been saying that about the US? Last I checked, many of China’s neighbors have been upset at China.
- asdff 4y agoTo be fair many (all?) of china's southeast asian neighbors are hosts to US military bases. They aren't going to bite the hand that pays for their anti aircraft defenses.
- zht 4y agolol what? just cause a sea is named after a country doesn't mean it's theirs just like Sea of Japan
- Rexxar 4y agoWhat's you opinion about Indian Ocean, Sea of Japan, Persian Gulf and Gulf of Mexico ?
- vkou 4y agoI feel that if Chinese carrier groups were based out of Cuba, or were routinely conducting exercises right outside Chesapeake bay, the complaints would probably be reversed by ~180 degrees.
- Despegar 4y agoThat's exactly what it is. The US decided (beginning with the Trump administration) that the status quo was unacceptable and has decided to "decouple" and increasingly contain China's development with export controls. No one should be surprised that there's retaliation, but everyone pretends that it's the other side that is the aggressor while they are simply the innocent victim.
- barelysapient 4y agoI think that's largely true; although in hindsight the US missed a crucial opportunity during the Obama administration to respond to China's bans on Google, Facebook, forced tech transfers, et cetera.