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There's huge amounts of stuff "for complete beginners", which is great. How about a "learn Python if you got your comsci degree with C 20 years ago but are now

There's huge amounts of stuff "for complete beginners", which is great. How about a "learn Python if you got your comsci degree with C 20 years ago but are now in hands off management role" though? :-) I don't need to learn what a variable is for 20th time, but can't jump into "advanced Python" books either, so I've found myself stuck a bit between two extremes.

theblazehen 4y ago
I've found https://learnxinyminutes.com/ https://learnxinyminutes.com/ to be a decent quick-start guide to many languages, where it assumes you already know the essential principles
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  Oh, that's a good find, thanks! And, exhaustive (across languages)!
jjtheblunt 4y ago
https://docs.python.org https://docs.python.org is perfect for your situation. Very organized and very quick to look up syntax by idea.
extr 4y ago
This is what ChatGPT is made for. I also like to learn concepts by analogy with concepts I already know. Before, you had to search for books and posts made explicitly with this in mind. "Javascript for Python Developers" or the like. Now you can explicitly ask GPT to formulate explanations with your specific context in mind. Game changer.
- goldfeld 4y ago
  And made, even, to help me write out a series of tutorials on ChinesePython[0], a topic which intrigued me for years but I always found daunting to learn (along with learning Chinese), what with the lack of materials that used English, so I made this for people completely new to Chinese. 0: https://chinesememe.substack.com/i/103754530/chinesepython https://chinesememe.substack.com/i/103754530/chinesepython
- Entinel 4y ago
  I'm very skeptical of this use case. It's great if it gives you correct information but I often find it ranging from slightly wrong to completely off base.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    It sure does, but nevertheless: if you already understand the fundamentals of programming, I'd say this is a fine thing to do with GPT.
  - __MatrixMan__ 4y ago
    But has it ever been harmfully wrong? Like, you run the code and it does the wrong thing, so you work on it until it's right and maybe learn something unexpected along the way, right? I think it's reasonably analogous to how learning worked without an AI buddy, but it's faster because unlike using search engines for help, you don't have to navigate a space that's weaponized against your attention to find the next useful bit.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  That's funny, I'm actually starting to lean that way as well! It can go at the speed or in the direction I choose to. The power is blinding! :-)
lockhouse 4y ago
I think that’s a problem for most languages with the possible exception of C++. Almost every book and tutorial just assumes that they’re teaching you your very first programming language.
- yuuuuyu 4y ago
  Except for the vast number of books/tutorials of the type "X for Y programmers" with Y often being C. (Or Java or Python or C++.) And X being pretty much anything under the sun.
zerr 4y ago
Official manuals are usually enough for that.
yuuuuyu 4y ago
A variable in Python is quite a different beast from a variable in C though.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  Agreed; so the 20 books that start with "A variable is like an imaginary box you can put stuff into!", and then lingers on the concept with 4 pages of illustrations and analogies from your childhood, is not useful to me; whereas a book that tells me quickly about global and local scopes in Python, whether it passes variables by values or references, if variables are pointers or not, etc; would be lovely :)
  - yuuuuyu 4y ago
    In C, a variable has traditionally been a box (memory location) that you put things into. Possibly a box that can only contain pointers to other boxes. That mental model breaks down slightly with references that modern C++ prefers, but still is useful. In python a variable is just a name. Assigments change what object this name references. But nobody is ever going to change which object this name references, unless you do it yourself. They can mutate the object, but not the name, if that makes sense.
Kwpolska 4y ago
Python's official reference might be more appropriate for this. But sometimes, even if things seem similar (e.g. both languages have variables), the semantics might be different. C/C++ has passing by value or by reference. Python and Java has neither, you can mutate the object, but you cannot reassign it (so you can't change the value of an int, but you can change some field of an object.

theblazehen 4y ago

I've found https://learnxinyminutes.com/ https://learnxinyminutes.com/ to be a decent quick-start guide to many languages, where it assumes you already know the essential principles

NikolaNovak 4y ago
Oh, that's a good find, thanks! And, exhaustive (across languages)!

jjtheblunt 4y ago

https://docs.python.org https://docs.python.org is perfect for your situation. Very organized and very quick to look up syntax by idea.

extr 4y ago

This is what ChatGPT is made for. I also like to learn concepts by analogy with concepts I already know. Before, you had to search for books and posts made explicitly with this in mind. "Javascript for Python Developers" or the like. Now you can explicitly ask GPT to formulate explanations with your specific context in mind. Game changer.

goldfeld 4y ago
And made, even, to help me write out a series of tutorials on ChinesePython[0], a topic which intrigued me for years but I always found daunting to learn (along with learning Chinese), what with the lack of materials that used English, so I made this for people completely new to Chinese. 0: https://chinesememe.substack.com/i/103754530/chinesepython https://chinesememe.substack.com/i/103754530/chinesepython
Entinel 4y ago
I'm very skeptical of this use case. It's great if it gives you correct information but I often find it ranging from slightly wrong to completely off base.
- ben_w 4y ago
  It sure does, but nevertheless: if you already understand the fundamentals of programming, I'd say this is a fine thing to do with GPT.
- __MatrixMan__ 4y ago
  But has it ever been harmfully wrong? Like, you run the code and it does the wrong thing, so you work on it until it's right and maybe learn something unexpected along the way, right? I think it's reasonably analogous to how learning worked without an AI buddy, but it's faster because unlike using search engines for help, you don't have to navigate a space that's weaponized against your attention to find the next useful bit.
NikolaNovak 4y ago
That's funny, I'm actually starting to lean that way as well! It can go at the speed or in the direction I choose to. The power is blinding! :-)

lockhouse 4y ago

I think that’s a problem for most languages with the possible exception of C++. Almost every book and tutorial just assumes that they’re teaching you your very first programming language.

yuuuuyu 4y ago
Except for the vast number of books/tutorials of the type "X for Y programmers" with Y often being C. (Or Java or Python or C++.) And X being pretty much anything under the sun.

zerr 4y ago

Official manuals are usually enough for that.

yuuuuyu 4y ago

A variable in Python is quite a different beast from a variable in C though.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
Agreed; so the 20 books that start with "A variable is like an imaginary box you can put stuff into!", and then lingers on the concept with 4 pages of illustrations and analogies from your childhood, is not useful to me; whereas a book that tells me quickly about global and local scopes in Python, whether it passes variables by values or references, if variables are pointers or not, etc; would be lovely :)
- yuuuuyu 4y ago
  In C, a variable has traditionally been a box (memory location) that you put things into. Possibly a box that can only contain pointers to other boxes. That mental model breaks down slightly with references that modern C++ prefers, but still is useful. In python a variable is just a name. Assigments change what object this name references. But nobody is ever going to change which object this name references, unless you do it yourself. They can mutate the object, but not the name, if that makes sense.

Kwpolska 4y ago

Python's official reference might be more appropriate for this. But sometimes, even if things seem similar (e.g. both languages have variables), the semantics might be different. C/C++ has passing by value or by reference. Python and Java has neither, you can mutate the object, but you cannot reassign it (so you can't change the value of an int, but you can change some field of an object.