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Correct, that makes you stupid. Your premise is wrong (the correct endpoint is satisfaction and regret rates, since there are many confounding factors with some

Correct, that makes you stupid. Your premise is wrong (the correct endpoint is satisfaction and regret rates, since there are many confounding factors with something like mental health), your data doesn't show why you think it shows (the Sweden study was done in a time when the Swedish government mandated sterilization for trans people), and GAC changes the balance of the body much less than, say, lithium. Next question?

all2 4y ago
GAC, by definition, sterilizes the person. Both on the hormonal front and, if they have bottom surgery, physically as well. HRT vs lithium? Dunno, I'm not a doctor. I do know that exogenous hormones can cause a body to stop producing the hormone, even at sub-clinical levels. I also know that GAC surgeries cannot be undone. But you can stop taking lithium. And all of this in the face of 40+% suicide rate that isn't affected by GAC in the slightest. Who is the ideological one here?
- howinteresting 4y ago
  The correct endpoint is satisfaction and regret rates. GAC has some of the highest satisfaction rates and lowest regret rates in all of medicine. edit: I'm going to say this very slowly: The Sweden study about suicide rates was done in a time when the Swedish government mandated sterilization for trans people. Does that help? edit 2: since it's still not clear: The Sweden study about suicide rates was done in a time when the Swedish government mandated sterilization for trans people.
  - all2 4y ago
    A 40% attempted suicide rate does not suggest "satisfaction" to me. It suggests mental illness.
    - ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
      "seriously considered" != "attempted" And the Trevor Project report shows a number of interventions that provide statistically significant reduction in suicidal ideation and attempts. I assume you support those interventions, since you seem extremely considered with the suicide rates of LGBTQ youth.
  - all2 4y ago
    The Sweden study is backed up by the Trevor Project (which I linked above somewhere) that shows as many as 80% of the transgender population have suicidal ideations and as many as 60% have attempted suicide. And this is from self-reporting. The stats aren't just from Sweden.
    - ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
      None of those stats are in the Trevor Project report. Cite the pages if you think they are, or surrender the argument. It does say: >Affirming gender identity among transgender and nonbinary youth is consistently associated with lower rates of suicide attempts. And the report actually says nothing about transition healthcare.
- ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
  >GAC, by definition, sterilizes the person That's crazy, my trans masc friend Kyle just carried a baby to term and delivered it, but to be fair I can't 100% confirm he didn't just hide a frozen turkey under his cardigan for 9 months

all2 4y ago

GAC, by definition, sterilizes the person. Both on the hormonal front and, if they have bottom surgery, physically as well. HRT vs lithium? Dunno, I'm not a doctor. I do know that exogenous hormones can cause a body to stop producing the hormone, even at sub-clinical levels. I also know that GAC surgeries cannot be undone. But you can stop taking lithium. And all of this in the face of 40+% suicide rate that isn't affected by GAC in the slightest. Who is the ideological one here?

howinteresting 4y ago
The correct endpoint is satisfaction and regret rates. GAC has some of the highest satisfaction rates and lowest regret rates in all of medicine. edit: I'm going to say this very slowly: The Sweden study about suicide rates was done in a time when the Swedish government mandated sterilization for trans people. Does that help? edit 2: since it's still not clear: The Sweden study about suicide rates was done in a time when the Swedish government mandated sterilization for trans people.
- all2 4y ago
  A 40% attempted suicide rate does not suggest "satisfaction" to me. It suggests mental illness.
  - ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
    "seriously considered" != "attempted" And the Trevor Project report shows a number of interventions that provide statistically significant reduction in suicidal ideation and attempts. I assume you support those interventions, since you seem extremely considered with the suicide rates of LGBTQ youth.
- all2 4y ago
  The Sweden study is backed up by the Trevor Project (which I linked above somewhere) that shows as many as 80% of the transgender population have suicidal ideations and as many as 60% have attempted suicide. And this is from self-reporting. The stats aren't just from Sweden.
  - ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
    None of those stats are in the Trevor Project report. Cite the pages if you think they are, or surrender the argument. It does say: >Affirming gender identity among transgender and nonbinary youth is consistently associated with lower rates of suicide attempts. And the report actually says nothing about transition healthcare.
ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
>GAC, by definition, sterilizes the person That's crazy, my trans masc friend Kyle just carried a baby to term and delivered it, but to be fair I can't 100% confirm he didn't just hide a frozen turkey under his cardigan for 9 months