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I don't believe this at all. I've participated in numerous debates with people who have a tough on crime position in regards to San Francisco, and you hear this

I don't believe this at all. I've participated in numerous debates with people who have a tough on crime position in regards to San Francisco, and you hear this one a lot. When the statistics show that crime is lower than 10 years ago, they say that there's some phantom crime going unreported and a conspiracy to conceal it. I literally do not have the energy to explain why this is nonsense anymore, because I've had this discussion too many times.

colpabar 4y ago
>I literally do not have the energy to explain why this is nonsense anymore, because I've had this discussion too many times. Why make the comment then? What can anyone gain from reading it?
- asveikau 4y ago
  It's a bullshit line and it's common. If the statistics don't match your bias, you question the statistics rather than your bias.
  - overgard 4y ago
    I think "I can't be bothered to explain" is much more of a bs line.
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diebeforei485 4y ago
People don't bother reporting it because nothing happens.
- viscanti 4y ago
  Did something happen 10 years ago and people were getting successful resolutions to small property crimes?
  - diebeforei485 4y ago
    Prop 47 at the state level, plus local-level decisions to not go after misdemeanors, plus political influencers telling the public not to report crime because ACAB or whatever.
    - trafficante 4y ago
      Plus the city cops are “quiet quitting”, which is a huge and rarely-discussed dysfunction that heavily contributes to demoralized citizenry failing to report crimes - maybe it’s uniquely a Portland thing? Are SF/Seattle people having this issue?
      - sirmarksalot 4y ago
        It's hard to say without actually knowing the internal workings of the police departments, but one thing that's happened in Seattle is that although the police budget did go up, the SPD is having a really hard time hiring, and a lot of that money has gone to headcount that has remained vacant. I've certainly read theories that it's a malicious strategy of the police union to make the city council look bad, and the SPOG president has made some pretty shocking political statements, so it honestly wouldn't be that surprising. I'm guessing it's a mix of both, but I can't really prove anything.
      - mcnameduck 4y ago
        Yes, overwhelmingly. In 3 experiences asking SFPD for help with property crimes (1 stolen car and 2 car break-ins), they seemed highly annoyed that I was even asking or reporting. My car was stolen 2 blocks from an SFPD station with a GPS tag. So I walked over, showed the cops exactly where the car was on my phone, and asked if they could send a car to meet me there. The dude at the desk rolled his eyes and told me to go get my extra set of keys and retrieve the car myself. No regard for the fact that that might be dangerous if the thief were around. And in fact, the thief was around. I walked past the car on the street, saw a big dude eating in the front seat, and kept walking. So I called the cops again and told them the thief was with my stolen car. They begrudgingly said they'd send a car, but didn't give a time estimate. 2 hours later, after repeated calls to dispatch, I was still hiding around the corner, occasionally peeking at my car, and the cops finally arrived. I told them the thief had walked away but I didn't know if he was still in the vicinity. The cops were pissed at me and said I shouldn't have wasted their time. They explained they can't do anything unless they catch the guy red-handed with the actual car. I get that, but it's not my fault they didn't show up for 2 hours. At least I was lucky enough to get my car back.
jen20 4y ago
I didn't bother reporting it when my car got broken into. The insurance company didn't even ask me too, since it would have been pointless. The same was true of both SF and Austin, to be fair.
dh2022 4y ago
If you do not have the energy to contribute to the conversation then do not contribute to the conversation.
callalex 4y ago
I didn’t even bother to report my second catalytic converter theft because the first time they didn’t even bother to retrieve my camera footage.

colpabar 4y ago

>I literally do not have the energy to explain why this is nonsense anymore, because I've had this discussion too many times. Why make the comment then? What can anyone gain from reading it?

asveikau 4y ago
It's a bullshit line and it's common. If the statistics don't match your bias, you question the statistics rather than your bias.
- overgard 4y ago
  I think "I can't be bothered to explain" is much more of a bs line.

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diebeforei485 4y ago

People don't bother reporting it because nothing happens.

viscanti 4y ago
Did something happen 10 years ago and people were getting successful resolutions to small property crimes?
- diebeforei485 4y ago
  Prop 47 at the state level, plus local-level decisions to not go after misdemeanors, plus political influencers telling the public not to report crime because ACAB or whatever.
  - trafficante 4y ago
    Plus the city cops are “quiet quitting”, which is a huge and rarely-discussed dysfunction that heavily contributes to demoralized citizenry failing to report crimes - maybe it’s uniquely a Portland thing? Are SF/Seattle people having this issue?
    - sirmarksalot 4y ago
      It's hard to say without actually knowing the internal workings of the police departments, but one thing that's happened in Seattle is that although the police budget did go up, the SPD is having a really hard time hiring, and a lot of that money has gone to headcount that has remained vacant. I've certainly read theories that it's a malicious strategy of the police union to make the city council look bad, and the SPOG president has made some pretty shocking political statements, so it honestly wouldn't be that surprising. I'm guessing it's a mix of both, but I can't really prove anything.
    - mcnameduck 4y ago
      Yes, overwhelmingly. In 3 experiences asking SFPD for help with property crimes (1 stolen car and 2 car break-ins), they seemed highly annoyed that I was even asking or reporting. My car was stolen 2 blocks from an SFPD station with a GPS tag. So I walked over, showed the cops exactly where the car was on my phone, and asked if they could send a car to meet me there. The dude at the desk rolled his eyes and told me to go get my extra set of keys and retrieve the car myself. No regard for the fact that that might be dangerous if the thief were around. And in fact, the thief was around. I walked past the car on the street, saw a big dude eating in the front seat, and kept walking. So I called the cops again and told them the thief was with my stolen car. They begrudgingly said they'd send a car, but didn't give a time estimate. 2 hours later, after repeated calls to dispatch, I was still hiding around the corner, occasionally peeking at my car, and the cops finally arrived. I told them the thief had walked away but I didn't know if he was still in the vicinity. The cops were pissed at me and said I shouldn't have wasted their time. They explained they can't do anything unless they catch the guy red-handed with the actual car. I get that, but it's not my fault they didn't show up for 2 hours. At least I was lucky enough to get my car back.

jen20 4y ago

I didn't bother reporting it when my car got broken into. The insurance company didn't even ask me too, since it would have been pointless. The same was true of both SF and Austin, to be fair.

dh2022 4y ago

If you do not have the energy to contribute to the conversation then do not contribute to the conversation.

callalex 4y ago

I didn’t even bother to report my second catalytic converter theft because the first time they didn’t even bother to retrieve my camera footage.