5 ms·

I don't see what's wrong with SF. /sarcasm SF is the people's choice, no? The people in SF elected DAs who release booked violent criminals right away, multipl

I don't see what's wrong with SF. /sarcasm SF is the people's choice, no? The people in SF elected DAs who release booked violent criminals right away, multiple times. The people in SF elected politicians who told us, repeatedly and publicly, that looting is a way for people to express their anger or looters were hungry, and violent criminals are victims and questioning their policies are homophobic and racism. The people in SF elected politicians who could stand up projects in the name of helping homeless at cost of more than $100K per homeless person per year. That's $100K equivalent of after-tax income of a normal fucking American! The people in SF elected school board members who dumbed down curriculums. The people in SF painted "kill techies" on streets of SF and the people cheered it. And most important of all, per the comments here, SF is fine and violent crimes are just the right's wild accusation. So, what's wrong again?

micromacrofoot 4y ago
Are you not connecting the dots here at all? You think SF would have headed in this direction if it wasn't heavily gentrified by enormous SF salaries and subsequent nimbyism? It's the same gentrification -> disparity -> flight -> neglect cycle that's happened to lesser degrees elsewhere. This is unique only in its severity.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  The government gets happy when rich people move in. The people are happy when rich people move out. We seriously don't need rich people near us. They have too many whines and gripes and are too resourceful to not stay. I say that as a (mildly) Rich person. But when a native sees the town go down, the native doesn't just leave. They still stay.
- colpabar 4y ago
  I think the point was that SF is the way it is because of the people who live in SF, which includes the people making those enormous salaries.
- keneda7 4y ago
  I think you may be the one missing the dots. The comment you responded to is pointing out that cycle you list (gentrification -> disparity -> flight -> neglect) is a direct result of the residents actions. They are the ones that elect the politicians and vote on propositions. The residents made a choice to go the route they did. What you see is a direct result of the residents' choices. I live within a couple hours of SF and I got to say I 100% agree with the person you responded too. The residents of SF caused the mess they are in.
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    I think it's an oversimplification and ignores the fact that a large number of renters in SF were displaced all along the way. The existing old residents (50+) were already homeowners before the SV wave, and the new homeowners (who are younger and richer) followed the same bad habits of the older generation (albeit, for some different reasons). The controlling political power in SF are homeowners and both new and old have come together to try to keep more people out, which has subsequently caused a bigger problem than what they originally feared. SF is extremely liberal in some senses, but when it comes to housing they're extremely conservative. It's basically the worst combination you can make in the US right now.
    - twblalock 4y ago
      Who are the people who were displaced, and where did they go? This is all very handwavy. Why do you believe this narrative without concrete facts?
      - micromacrofoot 4y ago
        https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=A_Decade_of_Displacement https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=A_Decade_of_Displace... I left San Francisco in the early 00s... this was well underway by then, and the most recent boom was the nail in the coffin.
        twblalock 4y ago
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
rohitb91 4y ago
[flagged]
CottonMcKnight 4y ago
We can have empathy for sociopaths and psychopaths, and still want them separated from the rest of society. We can try to understand and address the socioeconomic causes of crime, while also aggressively deterring crime and punishing criminals. We can recognize that the police are over-militarized and under-trained and burdened with too many responsibilities, while also recognizing that they face a population that is increasingly armed to the teeth and hostile due to a social media outrage machine. We can have a sane immigration policy and protect our borders while recognizing that immigrants are vital to the economy and having empathy for refugees or people simply fleeing violence, and without separating children from their parents or locking them in cages.
- hintymad 4y ago
  Not sure why you're downvoted, but I agree with everything you said. Whether the left is doing what you implied, though, is a different discussion.
TurkishPoptart 4y ago
[flagged]

micromacrofoot 4y ago

Are you not connecting the dots here at all? You think SF would have headed in this direction if it wasn't heavily gentrified by enormous SF salaries and subsequent nimbyism? It's the same gentrification -> disparity -> flight -> neglect cycle that's happened to lesser degrees elsewhere. This is unique only in its severity.

nashashmi 4y ago
The government gets happy when rich people move in. The people are happy when rich people move out. We seriously don't need rich people near us. They have too many whines and gripes and are too resourceful to not stay. I say that as a (mildly) Rich person. But when a native sees the town go down, the native doesn't just leave. They still stay.
colpabar 4y ago
I think the point was that SF is the way it is because of the people who live in SF, which includes the people making those enormous salaries.
keneda7 4y ago
I think you may be the one missing the dots. The comment you responded to is pointing out that cycle you list (gentrification -> disparity -> flight -> neglect) is a direct result of the residents actions. They are the ones that elect the politicians and vote on propositions. The residents made a choice to go the route they did. What you see is a direct result of the residents' choices. I live within a couple hours of SF and I got to say I 100% agree with the person you responded too. The residents of SF caused the mess they are in.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  I think it's an oversimplification and ignores the fact that a large number of renters in SF were displaced all along the way. The existing old residents (50+) were already homeowners before the SV wave, and the new homeowners (who are younger and richer) followed the same bad habits of the older generation (albeit, for some different reasons). The controlling political power in SF are homeowners and both new and old have come together to try to keep more people out, which has subsequently caused a bigger problem than what they originally feared. SF is extremely liberal in some senses, but when it comes to housing they're extremely conservative. It's basically the worst combination you can make in the US right now.
  - twblalock 4y ago
    Who are the people who were displaced, and where did they go? This is all very handwavy. Why do you believe this narrative without concrete facts?
    - micromacrofoot 4y ago
      https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=A_Decade_of_Displacement https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=A_Decade_of_Displace... I left San Francisco in the early 00s... this was well underway by then, and the most recent boom was the nail in the coffin.
      - twblalock 4y ago
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]

rohitb91 4y ago

[flagged]

CottonMcKnight 4y ago

We can have empathy for sociopaths and psychopaths, and still want them separated from the rest of society. We can try to understand and address the socioeconomic causes of crime, while also aggressively deterring crime and punishing criminals. We can recognize that the police are over-militarized and under-trained and burdened with too many responsibilities, while also recognizing that they face a population that is increasingly armed to the teeth and hostile due to a social media outrage machine. We can have a sane immigration policy and protect our borders while recognizing that immigrants are vital to the economy and having empathy for refugees or people simply fleeing violence, and without separating children from their parents or locking them in cages.

hintymad 4y ago
Not sure why you're downvoted, but I agree with everything you said. Whether the left is doing what you implied, though, is a different discussion.

TurkishPoptart 4y ago

[flagged]