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It is not the points, rather it may be an indicator of a trend among the demographic of individuals. For example say I participated in a car club, where all mem

by kls 15y ago

It is not the points, rather it may be an indicator of a trend among the demographic of individuals. For example say I participated in a car club, where all members where experts at vehicle technology and then over time said BMW jerks took over more and more, the information would start to reflect their preference (BMW tech) and thought process and at some point there will be a event horizon where it seems like all car club members are jerks and all information was being presented by jerks who think so little of opposing viewpoint that they would disable your car, for something as petty as making a point that maybe a particular Mercedes technology is superior. I personally don't like information that is biased by ego. I am not saying that HN is close to that, but it was not long ago that the thought of someone systematically down-voting another member in HN would be unheard-of. My point was not that I am on the cusp of leaving but rather I share the concern that with HN's growth we have to be aware of possible decline in quality and discuss ways to ensure the quality that HN provides.

anamax 15y ago
> am not saying that HN is close to that, but it was not long ago that the thought of someone systematically down-voting another member in HN would be unheard-of. Oh really? When was this time? I ask because I saw it the first time I noticed points. Is that because I'm a newbie? > I share the concern that with HN's growth we have to be aware of possible decline in quality and discuss ways to ensure the quality that HN provides. And the relationship between HN quality and "inappropriate downvoting" is?
- kls 15y ago
  I ask because I saw it the first time I noticed points. Is that because I'm a newbie? I only noticed it twice and that is the reason I asked about the issue. It may very well have happened before, that is what I was inquiring about, to understand if it is widespread. And the relationship between HN quality and "inappropriate downvoting" is? I think you are looking for something empirical which is not what I am basing my view on this subject on. Rather I hold some core values and that is what I am basing it on a value system as such it is internal to me. To me a widespread demographic of people who downvote out of malice compromises that value system, I would not want to participate in such a system. In saying that, I am not saying that HN has come to that.
  - anamax 15y ago
    > Rather I hold some core values and that is what I am basing it on a value system as such it is internal to me. And you're not going to tell us those "core values". > To me a widespread demographic of people What definition of "widespread" are you using? Would you say that an instance of malicious downvoting almost every day would qualify? HN probably has 5-10k regulars, so let's go with 5k. 1% of 5k is 50. If 1% maliciously downvote 6 times a year, that's an incident almost every day. I don't know about your "core values", but 1% doing something every other month doesn't strike me as widespread.
    - kls 15y ago
      And you're not going to tell us those "core values". I apologize I thought I was clear on it, I would not want to participate in a forum with people that's conduct is below a conduce standard that I hold myself to, If I felt that such conduct had reached a threshold of my tolerance for such behavior. I don't know about your "core values", but 1% doing something every other month doesn't strike me as widespread. I don't know if my case is even a true case of it or if it is widespread hence me asking if other people have seen the pattern, therefore the exact value of when it would send me over the edge is unknown. I do know that if it where happening to me once a week or so, I would probably give serious consideration to not participating in posting comments at the least. And I would also tend to view contributed news as having the possibility of being posted by such people that have little regard for the quality of the site.

by kls 15y ago

anamax 15y ago

> am not saying that HN is close to that, but it was not long ago that the thought of someone systematically down-voting another member in HN would be unheard-of. Oh really? When was this time? I ask because I saw it the first time I noticed points. Is that because I'm a newbie? > I share the concern that with HN's growth we have to be aware of possible decline in quality and discuss ways to ensure the quality that HN provides. And the relationship between HN quality and "inappropriate downvoting" is?

kls 15y ago
I ask because I saw it the first time I noticed points. Is that because I'm a newbie? I only noticed it twice and that is the reason I asked about the issue. It may very well have happened before, that is what I was inquiring about, to understand if it is widespread. And the relationship between HN quality and "inappropriate downvoting" is? I think you are looking for something empirical which is not what I am basing my view on this subject on. Rather I hold some core values and that is what I am basing it on a value system as such it is internal to me. To me a widespread demographic of people who downvote out of malice compromises that value system, I would not want to participate in such a system. In saying that, I am not saying that HN has come to that.
- anamax 15y ago
  > Rather I hold some core values and that is what I am basing it on a value system as such it is internal to me. And you're not going to tell us those "core values". > To me a widespread demographic of people What definition of "widespread" are you using? Would you say that an instance of malicious downvoting almost every day would qualify? HN probably has 5-10k regulars, so let's go with 5k. 1% of 5k is 50. If 1% maliciously downvote 6 times a year, that's an incident almost every day. I don't know about your "core values", but 1% doing something every other month doesn't strike me as widespread.
  - kls 15y ago
    And you're not going to tell us those "core values". I apologize I thought I was clear on it, I would not want to participate in a forum with people that's conduct is below a conduce standard that I hold myself to, If I felt that such conduct had reached a threshold of my tolerance for such behavior. I don't know about your "core values", but 1% doing something every other month doesn't strike me as widespread. I don't know if my case is even a true case of it or if it is widespread hence me asking if other people have seen the pattern, therefore the exact value of when it would send me over the edge is unknown. I do know that if it where happening to me once a week or so, I would probably give serious consideration to not participating in posting comments at the least. And I would also tend to view contributed news as having the possibility of being posted by such people that have little regard for the quality of the site.