>12th St isn't even close to being in Noe The reality of the matter is that SF is the diametric opposite of NYC. In NYC, people live in Murray Hill for a year

>12th St isn't even close to being in Noe The reality of the matter is that SF is the diametric opposite of NYC. In NYC, people live in Murray Hill for a year, move somewhere else and talk about their amazing experience in the UES for the rest of their lives. In SF, they live in new builds (all of which are in former non-neighborhoods that were either highway overpasses or industrial districts), move somewhere else and talk about how they basically lived in Pac Heights and even there it's scary.