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> just don't be anything but white or straight Is it so wrong for people to want to be left alone? We're talking a minority (which was the majority not too lon

by all2 4y ago

> just don't be anything but white or straight Is it so wrong for people to want to be left alone? We're talking a minority (which was the majority not too long ago) wanting to be left to their social and religious moors. The whole political mess in the US is driven by a clash of ideologies. > don't be a trans kid since the state government just barely averted banning appropriate healthcare for teenagers Case in point: many people in the United States disagree with surgically altering minors' genitalia, for whatever reason. And they'd prefer such policies to not be implemented where they live. This is part of the "please, just leave me alone" attitude. More relevant to this topic (crime in SF): many people in the United States would prefer for crime to actually be punished, with punishments that are actually effective. Making it legal to loot up to 1000 USD in merch isn't going to deter crime, it does the opposite. Because the law is cancerous at this point, honest business ventures are closing up shop. People in other states see the cancer and (rightly, I think) say they don't want any part of it.

carapace 4y ago
> The whole political mess in the US is driven by a clash of ideologies. Not really. When you actually analyze the situation what you have is a bunch of folks who would like to just live their lives (you know, people who are gay, or non-white, or female.) But there are some people who are upset by this, and want to stop it, who treat it like some battle for the soul of the Nation. They go out of their way to persecute and abuse other people for no reason other than they don't like them. Mostly they are members of various weird quasi-Christian religions. So it's not really a "clash of ideologies" so much as it is attacks by radical religious people on anybody and everybody that won't toe their religeous/ideological belief systems.
robertoandred 4y ago
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- all2 4y ago
  Top hit on ye olde googelle [0] from a very respected children's hospital: === What services does the Surgical Gender Affirmation Program offer? The Surgical Gender Affirmation Program for teens and young adults provides: An opportunity to talk with our care coordinator before your first appointment. They will answer questions, help you prepare for an appointment and connect you with our schedulers. One or more consultations with surgeons and a gender surgery nurse to talk about your goals and surgery options and to plan the surgery. We will offer to connect you with Seattle Children’s Fertility Preservation Program before surgery if you are interested. Help after preoperative consultations to get ready for surgery, including working with your insurance company to have surgery approved. Complex procedures, including face and neck surgery, top surgery (breast/chest), bottom surgery (genitals) and body contouring. Follow-up care after surgery to check and support healing and to smoothly transition back to your usual gender care team. Support from a social worker to help arrange transportation and places to stay when you come to Seattle Children’s for care. === Seems like minor's genitalia is getting altered. [0] https://www.seattlechildrens.org/clinics/plastic-surgery/surgical-gender-affirmation-program/ https://www.seattlechildrens.org/clinics/plastic-surgery/sur...
  - robertoandred 4y ago
    At the very top of the page: > For gender-affirming genital procedures, patients must be 18 or older by the time of surgery. You're embarrassing yourself.
    - all2 4y ago
      I don't know about embarrassing myself. You are right, though, I did overlook the age restriction by accident. The other gender re-assignment hospitals all have the same age restriction. Though, genital surgeries for kiddos are in the works [0]. Almost like the slope is slippery or something. From [0]: === The update also recommends: —Sex hormones — estrogen or testosterone — starting at age 14. This is often lifelong treatment. Long-term risks may include infertility and weight gain, along with strokes in trans women and high blood pressure in trans men, the guidelines say. —Breast removal for trans boys at age 15. Previous guidance suggested this could be done at least a year after hormones, around age 17, although a specific minimum age wasn’t listed. —Most genital surgeries starting at age 17, including womb and testicle removal, a year earlier than previous guidance. === [0] https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guide...
      - robertoandred 4y ago
        The only thing slippery are your goalposts.
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tsunamifury 4y ago
Whether it's wrong or right, it's just not reality. You have to deal with change. Sorry, it's all our lot in life.

by all2 4y ago

carapace 4y ago

> The whole political mess in the US is driven by a clash of ideologies. Not really. When you actually analyze the situation what you have is a bunch of folks who would like to just live their lives (you know, people who are gay, or non-white, or female.) But there are some people who are upset by this, and want to stop it, who treat it like some battle for the soul of the Nation. They go out of their way to persecute and abuse other people for no reason other than they don't like them. Mostly they are members of various weird quasi-Christian religions. So it's not really a "clash of ideologies" so much as it is attacks by radical religious people on anybody and everybody that won't toe their religeous/ideological belief systems.

robertoandred 4y ago

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all2 4y ago
Top hit on ye olde googelle [0] from a very respected children's hospital: === What services does the Surgical Gender Affirmation Program offer? The Surgical Gender Affirmation Program for teens and young adults provides: An opportunity to talk with our care coordinator before your first appointment. They will answer questions, help you prepare for an appointment and connect you with our schedulers. One or more consultations with surgeons and a gender surgery nurse to talk about your goals and surgery options and to plan the surgery. We will offer to connect you with Seattle Children’s Fertility Preservation Program before surgery if you are interested. Help after preoperative consultations to get ready for surgery, including working with your insurance company to have surgery approved. Complex procedures, including face and neck surgery, top surgery (breast/chest), bottom surgery (genitals) and body contouring. Follow-up care after surgery to check and support healing and to smoothly transition back to your usual gender care team. Support from a social worker to help arrange transportation and places to stay when you come to Seattle Children’s for care. === Seems like minor's genitalia is getting altered. [0] https://www.seattlechildrens.org/clinics/plastic-surgery/surgical-gender-affirmation-program/ https://www.seattlechildrens.org/clinics/plastic-surgery/sur...
- robertoandred 4y ago
  At the very top of the page: > For gender-affirming genital procedures, patients must be 18 or older by the time of surgery. You're embarrassing yourself.
  - all2 4y ago
    I don't know about embarrassing myself. You are right, though, I did overlook the age restriction by accident. The other gender re-assignment hospitals all have the same age restriction. Though, genital surgeries for kiddos are in the works [0]. Almost like the slope is slippery or something. From [0]: === The update also recommends: —Sex hormones — estrogen or testosterone — starting at age 14. This is often lifelong treatment. Long-term risks may include infertility and weight gain, along with strokes in trans women and high blood pressure in trans men, the guidelines say. —Breast removal for trans boys at age 15. Previous guidance suggested this could be done at least a year after hormones, around age 17, although a specific minimum age wasn’t listed. —Most genital surgeries starting at age 17, including womb and testicle removal, a year earlier than previous guidance. === [0] https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guide...
    - robertoandred 4y ago
      The only thing slippery are your goalposts.
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tsunamifury 4y ago

Whether it's wrong or right, it's just not reality. You have to deal with change. Sorry, it's all our lot in life.