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Obviously we are listening to different people because people say just that in this very same thread. Also I don't see Escadrones de la Muerte being a problem i

Obviously we are listening to different people because people say just that in this very same thread. Also I don't see Escadrones de la Muerte being a problem in Minneapolis or anywhere in the US for that matter, so what extrajudicial punishment you are taking about if you don't mind my asking?

syzarian 4y ago
Can you point who said in this thread that police should never use force? https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-police-torture-archive-details-acts-of-jon-burge-and-underlings https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-p... Note that Burge was arrested for lying to a jury during a civil lawsuit not for torture.
- pandaman 4y ago
  It appears to be you, who claimed that the police actions should be judged just like everyone else's here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too.
  - syzarian 4y ago
    You do have a capacity for missing the point and context. The “this” in my first sentence referred to what someone said. Specifically police pulling back when challenged. No reasonable person thinks police should never use force and no one is declaring otherwise. Police doing illegal things with impunity is what people are decrying. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
  - stametseater 4y ago
    > Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too. In most states, anybody can use force to arrest criminals, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_States_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_Stat... Of course the devil is in the details. I wouldn't risk my own neck by attempting a citizens arrest in a place like SF, because I think the prosecutors/etc there would be more interested in making an example out of me for daring to care, than punishing the actual criminal. Evidently the police of SF feel similar.
    - pandaman 4y ago
      "suspects" != "criminals". And we had just recently seen what happened to a gentleman who merely filmed such an arrest[1] of such a suspect, have not we? So yes, technically you can use force and do a citizen arrest if you don't care about consequences. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#People_involved https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#Peop...
      - stametseater 4y ago
        You can do a citizens arrest if you're quite sure you're in the right.

syzarian 4y ago

Can you point who said in this thread that police should never use force? https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-police-torture-archive-details-acts-of-jon-burge-and-underlings https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-p... Note that Burge was arrested for lying to a jury during a civil lawsuit not for torture.

pandaman 4y ago
It appears to be you, who claimed that the police actions should be judged just like everyone else's here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too.
- syzarian 4y ago
  You do have a capacity for missing the point and context. The “this” in my first sentence referred to what someone said. Specifically police pulling back when challenged. No reasonable person thinks police should never use force and no one is declaring otherwise. Police doing illegal things with impunity is what people are decrying. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
- stametseater 4y ago
  > Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too. In most states, anybody can use force to arrest criminals, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_States_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_Stat... Of course the devil is in the details. I wouldn't risk my own neck by attempting a citizens arrest in a place like SF, because I think the prosecutors/etc there would be more interested in making an example out of me for daring to care, than punishing the actual criminal. Evidently the police of SF feel similar.
  - pandaman 4y ago
    "suspects" != "criminals". And we had just recently seen what happened to a gentleman who merely filmed such an arrest[1] of such a suspect, have not we? So yes, technically you can use force and do a citizen arrest if you don't care about consequences. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#People_involved https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#Peop...
    - stametseater 4y ago
      You can do a citizens arrest if you're quite sure you're in the right.