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What about prosecution? I agree the police aren't defunded, but aren't prosecutors and judges becoming more lenient? This has to be demoralizing for police. Com

What about prosecution? I agree the police aren't defunded, but aren't prosecutors and judges becoming more lenient? This has to be demoralizing for police. Combined with housing costs and you have a vicious cycle of a recruitment issue. I would expect overtime pay to be up if hiring is difficult.

lern_too_spel 4y ago
Why should it be demoralizing? After they make the arrest and submit the case report, their job is done. If the DA decides to prosecute and the defendant requests a jury trial, they have to go to court and submit testimony. Whether the DA decides to divert a drug offender to rehab or tries to put them in prison is not SFPD's problem. Whichever one results in higher recidivism will make their job of finding a new person to arrest easier. The problem is they're not making arrests, even when the evidence is handed to them on a silver platter, and they haven't been making arrests for decades.
- carlivar 4y ago
  Well I guess it doesn't matter if code ships either. Work hard coding it, and if it gets thrown out and never used despite your hard work, that's the way it goes. As for not making arrests, isn't that self reinforcing? Of course police will slow down arrests if the other end is not completing the process. I find your view of this unusual and puzzling.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    They get paid to do a job. I find your view that it's reasonable for them not to do a job because they would do somebody else's job differently utterly incomprehensible.
    - carlivar 4y ago
      Well it's nice to know that organizations such as the Trump Presidential Campaign and Exxon-Mobil will never have any difficulty recruiting any task-bots, I mean, employees.
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        If I want to get paid for working for the Trump Presidential Campaign, I should do the work that is required. I don't want to work for the Trump Presidential Campaign, so I should not collect a paycheck from it. If these people don't want to do policing, they should not collect a police officer salary.
- stcroixx 4y ago
  I’m guessing it could be because every time they go out in public with the uniform on they risk their life, even more so when they engage a criminal. It’s a sacrifice they’re probably not willing to make if they don’t believe it’s for a good reason.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Then they should stop collecting a salary for the work they aren't doing, and taxpayers should criticize them for not doing the work they are paying them to do. Each of the DAs has been doing pretty much exactly what they told voters they would do. I really don't understand why this is so complicated.
    - stcroixx 4y ago
      Not everyone voted for or agrees with the current DA’s opinion. As a taxpayer, I don’t mind keeping cops doing nothing on the payroll as I know when the backlash begins and we get a new DA they’re ready to start work again with no delay. Doesn’t seem complicated to me personally.
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        And yet they haven't. Who'd have thunk that being fine with people not doing their job encourages bad behavior instead of what you were hoping to encourage?

lern_too_spel 4y ago

Why should it be demoralizing? After they make the arrest and submit the case report, their job is done. If the DA decides to prosecute and the defendant requests a jury trial, they have to go to court and submit testimony. Whether the DA decides to divert a drug offender to rehab or tries to put them in prison is not SFPD's problem. Whichever one results in higher recidivism will make their job of finding a new person to arrest easier. The problem is they're not making arrests, even when the evidence is handed to them on a silver platter, and they haven't been making arrests for decades.

carlivar 4y ago
Well I guess it doesn't matter if code ships either. Work hard coding it, and if it gets thrown out and never used despite your hard work, that's the way it goes. As for not making arrests, isn't that self reinforcing? Of course police will slow down arrests if the other end is not completing the process. I find your view of this unusual and puzzling.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  They get paid to do a job. I find your view that it's reasonable for them not to do a job because they would do somebody else's job differently utterly incomprehensible.
  - carlivar 4y ago
    Well it's nice to know that organizations such as the Trump Presidential Campaign and Exxon-Mobil will never have any difficulty recruiting any task-bots, I mean, employees.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      If I want to get paid for working for the Trump Presidential Campaign, I should do the work that is required. I don't want to work for the Trump Presidential Campaign, so I should not collect a paycheck from it. If these people don't want to do policing, they should not collect a police officer salary.
stcroixx 4y ago
I’m guessing it could be because every time they go out in public with the uniform on they risk their life, even more so when they engage a criminal. It’s a sacrifice they’re probably not willing to make if they don’t believe it’s for a good reason.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Then they should stop collecting a salary for the work they aren't doing, and taxpayers should criticize them for not doing the work they are paying them to do. Each of the DAs has been doing pretty much exactly what they told voters they would do. I really don't understand why this is so complicated.
  - stcroixx 4y ago
    Not everyone voted for or agrees with the current DA’s opinion. As a taxpayer, I don’t mind keeping cops doing nothing on the payroll as I know when the backlash begins and we get a new DA they’re ready to start work again with no delay. Doesn’t seem complicated to me personally.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      And yet they haven't. Who'd have thunk that being fine with people not doing their job encourages bad behavior instead of what you were hoping to encourage?