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Good luck standing up against million of well armed, well paid and well trained national guards.

by codedokode 4y ago

jnsaff2 4y ago
Iranian school girls do that.
- codedokode 4y ago
  Did they win?
  - jnsaff2 4y ago
    They kept their dignity and earned mad respect from others. They may also win at some point.
    - foverzar 4y ago
      > mad respect I really hope that you are being ironic and this is a joke.
      - jnsaff2 4y ago
        Why would you hope such a thing?
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    The Ukrainians sure as hell won their Euromaidan.
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      and lost a chunk of east ukraine
      - koonsolo 4y ago
        So you propose it's better to submit than fight for your freedom? That's your choice. Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be. Your mentality fits nicely in russian society. And in case you didn't notice, eastern Ukraine and Crimea is still Ukraine. Soon free from russian invaders.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        > Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be given the disastrous policies of the ukranian government, in 5 years it would not surprise me if ukraine is divided between russia and poland. im sure the poles would love that too > Your mentality fits nicely in russian society. i think my mentality fits pretty nicely with that of southern Europe, where i live. i also happen to think that polish ukranian and russian mentality fit rather well together, especially the rampant xenophobia
        jnsaff2 4y ago
        > given the disastrous policies of the ukranian government Do you point out the policy of not letting it's people genocided without a fight? Or do you mean something else? I don't this is even up for the government to decide, Ukrainians would fight no matter their governments policy. > especially the rampant xenophobia Please don't project your own mentality onto others.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        > Ukrainians would fight no matter their governments policy is that why they prevent all men from leaving their country? > Please don't project your own mentality onto others Mine? The founder of Azov, Andriy Biletsky declared in 2010 that the Ukrainian nation’s mission was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [subhumans].” There are now streets in Ukraine that carry names of the Azov clowns, and Bilenski is frequently present in ceremonies. But hey, let's give them all weapons we have so that they can fight the Russians. What a marvelous idea ... not. But it is what it is, and Azov Regiment is going to be part of the planned counter-offensive this spring The reality is, the United States supports Ukranians in much the same way it supported the Afghans during the 1980s. Groups like Azov and Right Sector are just the new Taliban. For Ukraninan people's sake lets hope Ukraine doesn't end up like Afghanistan https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-probl... * Just in case you think I was brainwashed by KGB https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/azov-swastika-flag-ukraine/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/azov-swastika-flag-ukraine... * Picture tells a thousand words
    - iavael 4y ago
      Ukranian protesters had support from half of parliament, several independent oligarchs and even some part of government. Also they had logistic support from political organizations and also international support. In Russia opposition has no allies in establishment, there are no independent oligarchs in the country, political organizations are destroyed and any Russian national by default has zero sympathy from the West now (frankly speaking even if one had a substantial support, it would be damaging for his political reputation in the country). There are no public institutions left in Russia that opposition can rely on, every activist is essentially alone against government machine.
koonsolo 4y ago
"Well armed and well trained" Sure, we've seen plenty of those in Ukraine. Also "well intoxicated"
- iavael 4y ago
  Really well armed and well trained elite police forces are not sent in Ukraine because they are needed in case of unrests. For battlefield there are poorly trained conscripts with rusty gear from 70s. Dictators like Putin or Saddam save their best guard even in toughest moments of war, because they know that they can loose war but can still be in power if their guard can protect them from their political enemies.

Good luck standing up against million of well armed, well paid and well trained national guards.

jnsaff2 4y ago

Iranian school girls do that.

codedokode 4y ago
Did they win?
- jnsaff2 4y ago
  They kept their dignity and earned mad respect from others. They may also win at some point.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > mad respect I really hope that you are being ironic and this is a joke.
    - jnsaff2 4y ago
      Why would you hope such a thing?
- koonsolo 4y ago
  The Ukrainians sure as hell won their Euromaidan.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    and lost a chunk of east ukraine
    - koonsolo 4y ago
      So you propose it's better to submit than fight for your freedom? That's your choice. Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be. Your mentality fits nicely in russian society. And in case you didn't notice, eastern Ukraine and Crimea is still Ukraine. Soon free from russian invaders.
      - medo-bear 4y ago
        > Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be given the disastrous policies of the ukranian government, in 5 years it would not surprise me if ukraine is divided between russia and poland. im sure the poles would love that too > Your mentality fits nicely in russian society. i think my mentality fits pretty nicely with that of southern Europe, where i live. i also happen to think that polish ukranian and russian mentality fit rather well together, especially the rampant xenophobia
        jnsaff2 4y ago
        > given the disastrous policies of the ukranian government Do you point out the policy of not letting it's people genocided without a fight? Or do you mean something else? I don't this is even up for the government to decide, Ukrainians would fight no matter their governments policy. > especially the rampant xenophobia Please don't project your own mentality onto others.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        > Ukrainians would fight no matter their governments policy is that why they prevent all men from leaving their country? > Please don't project your own mentality onto others Mine? The founder of Azov, Andriy Biletsky declared in 2010 that the Ukrainian nation’s mission was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [subhumans].” There are now streets in Ukraine that carry names of the Azov clowns, and Bilenski is frequently present in ceremonies. But hey, let's give them all weapons we have so that they can fight the Russians. What a marvelous idea ... not. But it is what it is, and Azov Regiment is going to be part of the planned counter-offensive this spring The reality is, the United States supports Ukranians in much the same way it supported the Afghans during the 1980s. Groups like Azov and Right Sector are just the new Taliban. For Ukraninan people's sake lets hope Ukraine doesn't end up like Afghanistan https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-probl... * Just in case you think I was brainwashed by KGB https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/azov-swastika-flag-ukraine/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/azov-swastika-flag-ukraine... * Picture tells a thousand words
  - iavael 4y ago
    Ukranian protesters had support from half of parliament, several independent oligarchs and even some part of government. Also they had logistic support from political organizations and also international support. In Russia opposition has no allies in establishment, there are no independent oligarchs in the country, political organizations are destroyed and any Russian national by default has zero sympathy from the West now (frankly speaking even if one had a substantial support, it would be damaging for his political reputation in the country). There are no public institutions left in Russia that opposition can rely on, every activist is essentially alone against government machine.

koonsolo 4y ago

"Well armed and well trained" Sure, we've seen plenty of those in Ukraine. Also "well intoxicated"

iavael 4y ago
Really well armed and well trained elite police forces are not sent in Ukraine because they are needed in case of unrests. For battlefield there are poorly trained conscripts with rusty gear from 70s. Dictators like Putin or Saddam save their best guard even in toughest moments of war, because they know that they can loose war but can still be in power if their guard can protect them from their political enemies.