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Ya let's move the tech industry and ruin the next place, Austin.

all2 4y ago
There's this brewing sentiment in the rest of the US as California residents move out: please go away and keep your broken politics and social policies away from us. I have family out in Idaho, and they complain that there a lot of folks from California moving there and screwing up the local politics by voting for policies that broke the state of California. They joke that the first thing people do is change their plates because they don't want anyone to know they're from Cali. I can't blame them, though, because it is an absolute train-wreck of a state whose condition is epitomized by SanFran.
- 650REDHAIR 4y ago
  SF is suffering the brunt of failed politics across the US. It doesn’t have to spread because it’s already there… It’s just easier to see in SF because the elements are far less likely to kill you here and we’ve decriminalized homelessness.
  - danaris 4y ago
    NIMBY is an inherently local problem, and from what I've heard, that is at the heart of SF's issues: "you can't build affordable housing here, that will lower my property values"; "you can't build a big apartment building here, that will destroy the quaint local character". I'm not saying that's a problem unique to SF, but SF can solve it without fixing the political issues that affect the rest of the country.
- beardedwizard 4y ago
  I moved from Dallas and don't find it all that different. You don't leave anything in your car there, and you might get stabbed downtown.
- lezojeda 4y ago
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- ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
  Idaho's great, just don't be anything but white or straight, or god forbid don't be a trans kid since the state government just barely averted banning appropriate healthcare for teenagers there. Plus they have a sweet setup since they're the 18th-most dependent state on Federal aid, so they'll glad take money from train-wreck states like California, they just don't want the people.
  - prottog 4y ago
    > appropriate healthcare for teenagers You're begging the question. Reasonable, empathetic people are capable of thinking that "gender-affirming care" is an ideologically-driven phenomenon that does more harm than good. > Plus they have a sweet setup since they're the 18th-most dependent state on Federal aid Do you feel the same way about Virginia (second highest per capita federal balance of payments), New Mexico (4th), or Maine (9th)? They're all blue states that receive a lot more from the federal government than they pay in. Do you also feel the same way about high income earners paying more than they get back? Because effectively that's what you're describing. California has a lot of high incomes and because the federal government does a lot of redistributing via taxation, the state as a whole pays more than it gets back. Though if you look at the per capita data[0], it works out to a few hundred bucks a year. It's also worth mentioning that since Covid, every single state has received more than it paid, and in aggregate California the most by far (which makes sense, since it's the most populous state). So California too has a sweet setup. Implicit behind your sentiment is the idea that the "train-wreck" policies in California is causative of the high incomes that has it pay more than it gets back from the federal government. That is, your argument paraphrased is that conservative Idahoans can't criticize progressive Californians since California with its progressive policies has high incomes that pay for some of Idaho's bills via redistributed federal taxation. I find that assumption unpersuasive. [0]: https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-payments-portal/ https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-...
    - Eisenstein 4y ago
      > Reasonable, empathetic people are capable of thinking that "gender-affirming care" is an ideologically-driven phenomenon that does more harm than good. Reasonable, empathetic people who have no experience with an issue personally should mind their own damn business regarding other people's medical decisions, especially when they themselves are actually, demonstrably (not suspectedly) ideologically motivated.
- milsorgen 4y ago
  I'm in the treasure valley, I came up in the early aughts and even worked as an interstate mover for a time. I moved lots of Californians into Idaho who sold their house and came up here and bought two or three, or simply vastly upgraded their square footage and amenities. Something is different this time, maybe a critical mass has been reached but the change in culture and politics is apparent. Even in the smaller cities of the valley you see it, you hear it, I see stop white supremacy fliers around my little city. Keep in mind we were marching for Bernie Sanders in Boise not too long ago, he even came and did a rally. Boise and parts of the valley were always leftish, for as long as I've been here but it's different this time. It's more jarring. Again it's probably critical mass of certain ideologies or simply population densities but it's still different and really starting to change the culture across the valley. And not for the better in my opinion, I mentioned the fliers for instance well Hispanic and even African refugee relations have been good here. There's not a problem with white supremacy here but it's now being made manifest by outsiders... Why people can't leave well enough alone I'll never understand.
alfiedotwtf 4y ago
Given all the car meet videos I've seen of Austin lately, I'd say SF is much safer yikes!
- itsyaboi 4y ago
  Is there some correlation between car enthusiasts and violent crime?
  - modriano 4y ago
    Not that I know of, but there is a correlation between vehicle miles traveled and road deaths. Cars are big, heavy, and often move very fast. When cars collide with people, other cars, or built structures, it often results in deaths.
- thefourthchime 4y ago
  Are you talking about those kids doing donuts that circulated a few weeks back? That's super rare, I've lived here 20 years and never seen anything like that. Not saying that element isn't growing here, it has been, but this city is pretty dang safe.
  - alfiedotwtf 4y ago
    A few weeks back? Not sure, but each video I see looks like they're new, so I'm only assuming that it's a regular occurance. To an outsider Austin looks pretty lawless on the roads.
tempsy 4y ago
Ironically Austin’s housing market seems to have suffered the hardest since peak 2021-2022 prices because it’s more clear now that it isn’t becoming the next Silicon Valley.

all2 4y ago

There's this brewing sentiment in the rest of the US as California residents move out: please go away and keep your broken politics and social policies away from us. I have family out in Idaho, and they complain that there a lot of folks from California moving there and screwing up the local politics by voting for policies that broke the state of California. They joke that the first thing people do is change their plates because they don't want anyone to know they're from Cali. I can't blame them, though, because it is an absolute train-wreck of a state whose condition is epitomized by SanFran.

650REDHAIR 4y ago
SF is suffering the brunt of failed politics across the US. It doesn’t have to spread because it’s already there… It’s just easier to see in SF because the elements are far less likely to kill you here and we’ve decriminalized homelessness.
- danaris 4y ago
  NIMBY is an inherently local problem, and from what I've heard, that is at the heart of SF's issues: "you can't build affordable housing here, that will lower my property values"; "you can't build a big apartment building here, that will destroy the quaint local character". I'm not saying that's a problem unique to SF, but SF can solve it without fixing the political issues that affect the rest of the country.
beardedwizard 4y ago
I moved from Dallas and don't find it all that different. You don't leave anything in your car there, and you might get stabbed downtown.
lezojeda 4y ago
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ofcourseyoudo 4y ago
Idaho's great, just don't be anything but white or straight, or god forbid don't be a trans kid since the state government just barely averted banning appropriate healthcare for teenagers there. Plus they have a sweet setup since they're the 18th-most dependent state on Federal aid, so they'll glad take money from train-wreck states like California, they just don't want the people.
- prottog 4y ago
  > appropriate healthcare for teenagers You're begging the question. Reasonable, empathetic people are capable of thinking that "gender-affirming care" is an ideologically-driven phenomenon that does more harm than good. > Plus they have a sweet setup since they're the 18th-most dependent state on Federal aid Do you feel the same way about Virginia (second highest per capita federal balance of payments), New Mexico (4th), or Maine (9th)? They're all blue states that receive a lot more from the federal government than they pay in. Do you also feel the same way about high income earners paying more than they get back? Because effectively that's what you're describing. California has a lot of high incomes and because the federal government does a lot of redistributing via taxation, the state as a whole pays more than it gets back. Though if you look at the per capita data[0], it works out to a few hundred bucks a year. It's also worth mentioning that since Covid, every single state has received more than it paid, and in aggregate California the most by far (which makes sense, since it's the most populous state). So California too has a sweet setup. Implicit behind your sentiment is the idea that the "train-wreck" policies in California is causative of the high incomes that has it pay more than it gets back from the federal government. That is, your argument paraphrased is that conservative Idahoans can't criticize progressive Californians since California with its progressive policies has high incomes that pay for some of Idaho's bills via redistributed federal taxation. I find that assumption unpersuasive. [0]: https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-payments-portal/ https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-...
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    > Reasonable, empathetic people are capable of thinking that "gender-affirming care" is an ideologically-driven phenomenon that does more harm than good. Reasonable, empathetic people who have no experience with an issue personally should mind their own damn business regarding other people's medical decisions, especially when they themselves are actually, demonstrably (not suspectedly) ideologically motivated.
milsorgen 4y ago
I'm in the treasure valley, I came up in the early aughts and even worked as an interstate mover for a time. I moved lots of Californians into Idaho who sold their house and came up here and bought two or three, or simply vastly upgraded their square footage and amenities. Something is different this time, maybe a critical mass has been reached but the change in culture and politics is apparent. Even in the smaller cities of the valley you see it, you hear it, I see stop white supremacy fliers around my little city. Keep in mind we were marching for Bernie Sanders in Boise not too long ago, he even came and did a rally. Boise and parts of the valley were always leftish, for as long as I've been here but it's different this time. It's more jarring. Again it's probably critical mass of certain ideologies or simply population densities but it's still different and really starting to change the culture across the valley. And not for the better in my opinion, I mentioned the fliers for instance well Hispanic and even African refugee relations have been good here. There's not a problem with white supremacy here but it's now being made manifest by outsiders... Why people can't leave well enough alone I'll never understand.

alfiedotwtf 4y ago

Given all the car meet videos I've seen of Austin lately, I'd say SF is much safer yikes!

itsyaboi 4y ago
Is there some correlation between car enthusiasts and violent crime?
- modriano 4y ago
  Not that I know of, but there is a correlation between vehicle miles traveled and road deaths. Cars are big, heavy, and often move very fast. When cars collide with people, other cars, or built structures, it often results in deaths.
thefourthchime 4y ago
Are you talking about those kids doing donuts that circulated a few weeks back? That's super rare, I've lived here 20 years and never seen anything like that. Not saying that element isn't growing here, it has been, but this city is pretty dang safe.
- alfiedotwtf 4y ago
  A few weeks back? Not sure, but each video I see looks like they're new, so I'm only assuming that it's a regular occurance. To an outsider Austin looks pretty lawless on the roads.

tempsy 4y ago

Ironically Austin’s housing market seems to have suffered the hardest since peak 2021-2022 prices because it’s more clear now that it isn’t becoming the next Silicon Valley.