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> I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Jesus, the bubble the typical HN SV c

> I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Jesus, the bubble the typical HN SV commenter must live in. I'm sure it's frustrating to see crime rates increase, but "incredibly dangerous?" SF still has far less crime per capita than many of its peer cities. Where are all the displaced SV millionaires moving with dramatically lower crime rates where these people actually feel safe?

fortran77 4y ago
Your denial of plain facts is what’s “incredibly dangerous”
- hartard 4y ago
  Can you provide data that supports your opinion that violent crime per capita is higher?
- groby_b 4y ago
  Everybody on this thread so far has provided anecdotes and opinions. There's nary a fact in sight. So, let's go with at least one fact site: https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-San-Francisco-California.html https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-San-Francisco-Californ... At least based on that data set (and it's easy to find disagreeing data sets), murders are actually below average. But the problem is: There isn't a definitive data source. The FBIs UCR[1] is closest, but because they split by agency, it's hard to find relevant geographic data. For SF, you're looking at BART Alamenda, BART Contra Costa, SF County Highway Patrol, BART SF, SF Sheriff's office, SFPD, SF State University,Union Pacific Railroad, UCLA SF, San Mateo BART, South SF PD, Santa Clara BART. (If the US stopped encouraging everybody to play cops and robbers on their own, that'd be nice) But even if you settle for one of them, data is only reported up to 2021, and that means graphs stop at 2020. It's almost as if there was profit in making current crime a matter of opinion instead of facts.But for the data set? Violent crime is down. Fine, let's ask sfgov.org then: https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rate-and-property-crime-rate https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rat... Turns out, homicide is pretty much stable over the last decade. Same for aggravated assault.Rape is down to 2010 levels again. Robbery is down. None of the numbers are significantly up. This might be more dangerous than other cities, but it's at current levels for a long while now. [1] https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crim...
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    Apparently Murder is the only crime relevant to SF residents? The fact that SF is top 5 in Property crime per capita in the entire nation is irrelevant?
  - JPKab 4y ago
    Note that whenever you are looking at homicide numbers over a period of decades, you have to factor in the advances in medical technology that have made huge improvements in the number of people who survive being shot. When you look at the statistics you see that shootings have gone up markedly.
rossdavidh 4y ago
From https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#description https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des...: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18. Within California, more than 98% of the communities have a lower crime rate than San Francisco."
- COGlory 4y ago
  How does just violent crime compare?
- TheBigSalad 4y ago
  But the crime rate also hasn't changed in over a decade according to the same site.
adamsmith143 4y ago
4th highest property crime rate in the entire nation. Middle of the pack for violent crime. Many have left for Austin, Texas which has half as much property crime and almost half as much violent crime per capita. So yeah significantly safer.
dang 4y ago
Please edit flamewar swipes out of your posts here. Sneering at the community and promoting regional flamewar are markers of bad threads. Incidentally, only a small fraction of HN users (10% or so, last I checked) are anywhere near SV. HN is an international forum, which is why we get regional and nationalistic flamewars to begin with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- JeremyNT 4y ago
  Of course you are right, I let my temper get the better of me for which I'd like to apologize. Sadly it is too late to edit my post.
  - dang 4y ago
    Don't worry—it happens. If you'll take it into account going forward, that's all we need.

fortran77 4y ago

Your denial of plain facts is what’s “incredibly dangerous”

hartard 4y ago
Can you provide data that supports your opinion that violent crime per capita is higher?
groby_b 4y ago
Everybody on this thread so far has provided anecdotes and opinions. There's nary a fact in sight. So, let's go with at least one fact site: https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-San-Francisco-California.html https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-San-Francisco-Californ... At least based on that data set (and it's easy to find disagreeing data sets), murders are actually below average. But the problem is: There isn't a definitive data source. The FBIs UCR[1] is closest, but because they split by agency, it's hard to find relevant geographic data. For SF, you're looking at BART Alamenda, BART Contra Costa, SF County Highway Patrol, BART SF, SF Sheriff's office, SFPD, SF State University,Union Pacific Railroad, UCLA SF, San Mateo BART, South SF PD, Santa Clara BART. (If the US stopped encouraging everybody to play cops and robbers on their own, that'd be nice) But even if you settle for one of them, data is only reported up to 2021, and that means graphs stop at 2020. It's almost as if there was profit in making current crime a matter of opinion instead of facts.But for the data set? Violent crime is down. Fine, let's ask sfgov.org then: https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rate-and-property-crime-rate https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rat... Turns out, homicide is pretty much stable over the last decade. Same for aggravated assault.Rape is down to 2010 levels again. Robbery is down. None of the numbers are significantly up. This might be more dangerous than other cities, but it's at current levels for a long while now. [1] https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crim...
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  Apparently Murder is the only crime relevant to SF residents? The fact that SF is top 5 in Property crime per capita in the entire nation is irrelevant?
- JPKab 4y ago
  Note that whenever you are looking at homicide numbers over a period of decades, you have to factor in the advances in medical technology that have made huge improvements in the number of people who survive being shot. When you look at the statistics you see that shootings have gone up markedly.

rossdavidh 4y ago

From https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#description https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des...: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18. Within California, more than 98% of the communities have a lower crime rate than San Francisco."

COGlory 4y ago
How does just violent crime compare?
TheBigSalad 4y ago
But the crime rate also hasn't changed in over a decade according to the same site.

adamsmith143 4y ago

4th highest property crime rate in the entire nation. Middle of the pack for violent crime. Many have left for Austin, Texas which has half as much property crime and almost half as much violent crime per capita. So yeah significantly safer.

dang 4y ago

Please edit flamewar swipes out of your posts here. Sneering at the community and promoting regional flamewar are markers of bad threads. Incidentally, only a small fraction of HN users (10% or so, last I checked) are anywhere near SV. HN is an international forum, which is why we get regional and nationalistic flamewars to begin with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

JeremyNT 4y ago
Of course you are right, I let my temper get the better of me for which I'd like to apologize. Sadly it is too late to edit my post.
- dang 4y ago
  Don't worry—it happens. If you'll take it into account going forward, that's all we need.