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Have deaths as a result of police violence decreased?

HL33tibCe7 4y ago
Deaths from “police violence” are extremely uncommon - when they do happen, it is plastered all over the newspapers for months.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  Not necessarily. Depends on the race of the victim. Nobody gave a flying fuck about Tony Timpa.
  - diebeforei485 4y ago
    I love how people turn to examples from a thousand miles away when talking about policing in SF.
    - bart_spoon 4y ago
      Minneapolis is 2,038 miles away from San Francisco. Would you say that George Floyd’s death had an effect of any kind on policing in SF?
      - chitowneats 4y ago
        Zero self-awareness. Incredible.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      LMFAO did you even read your own comment?????? Tell me more about local hero George Floyd. Absolute retardation.
cdolan 4y ago
Is the logical conclusion to this line of thought that any fewer deaths from police violence justifies a metropolitan area falling into socio-economic collapse?
- fluidcruft 4y ago
  Not really it's a question about outcomes. Deaths of innocent people are bad. Is it just for a system to kill one group of innocent people so that a different group of people feel safer? Overall deaths seems like the correct metric.
  - cdolan 4y ago
    Its hard to measure accurately but I would argue easy to observe and ascertain the following: If a metro area becomes a literal Gotham City (ie drug and crime completely integrated into daily life) then the outcome is decades of lost human experience across hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people. Addressing police brutality is one hard to solve problem, but cameras and other initiatives seem to be helping. But your city turning into a crime haven creates thousands of problems, and may not be able to solve.
qgin 4y ago
https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/published-reports/officer-involved-shootings-ois-data https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/published-repor... This doesn't get into any context or whether anyone died as a result, but from the available data, the highest number of incidents where someone was shot by police in SF was 11 in 2010, the lowest number was 2 in 2021.
- fluidcruft 4y ago
  I would imagine the number of homicides those years is much higher than 11 or 2 (although you would probably want to exclude homicides that are related to domestic violence).
  - tatersolid 4y ago
    > although you would probably want to exclude homicides that are related to domestic violence Why? I’m certain more than one police officer has had to fire their weapon while responding to a domestic violence situation.

Deaths from “police violence” are extremely uncommon - when they do happen, it is plastered all over the newspapers for months.

chitowneats 4y ago
Not necessarily. Depends on the race of the victim. Nobody gave a flying fuck about Tony Timpa.
- diebeforei485 4y ago
  I love how people turn to examples from a thousand miles away when talking about policing in SF.
  - bart_spoon 4y ago
    Minneapolis is 2,038 miles away from San Francisco. Would you say that George Floyd’s death had an effect of any kind on policing in SF?
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      Zero self-awareness. Incredible.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    LMFAO did you even read your own comment?????? Tell me more about local hero George Floyd. Absolute retardation.

cdolan 4y ago

Is the logical conclusion to this line of thought that any fewer deaths from police violence justifies a metropolitan area falling into socio-economic collapse?

fluidcruft 4y ago
Not really it's a question about outcomes. Deaths of innocent people are bad. Is it just for a system to kill one group of innocent people so that a different group of people feel safer? Overall deaths seems like the correct metric.
- cdolan 4y ago
  Its hard to measure accurately but I would argue easy to observe and ascertain the following: If a metro area becomes a literal Gotham City (ie drug and crime completely integrated into daily life) then the outcome is decades of lost human experience across hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people. Addressing police brutality is one hard to solve problem, but cameras and other initiatives seem to be helping. But your city turning into a crime haven creates thousands of problems, and may not be able to solve.

qgin 4y ago

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/published-reports/officer-involved-shootings-ois-data https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/published-repor... This doesn't get into any context or whether anyone died as a result, but from the available data, the highest number of incidents where someone was shot by police in SF was 11 in 2010, the lowest number was 2 in 2021.

fluidcruft 4y ago
I would imagine the number of homicides those years is much higher than 11 or 2 (although you would probably want to exclude homicides that are related to domestic violence).
- tatersolid 4y ago
  > although you would probably want to exclude homicides that are related to domestic violence Why? I’m certain more than one police officer has had to fire their weapon while responding to a domestic violence situation.