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>which European capital. Kiev, 2020-2022.

aqme28 4y ago
Obvious there are some exceptions, but that's why I said "western europe." Pre-war Kyiv was still much much better than say St. Louis.
bestcoder69 4y ago
USA! USA!
komali2 4y ago
We found an example of a place more violent than most cities in the richest country on earth and possibly in all of human history! It's a city in a country engaged in a hot war!
lucideer 4y ago
I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek but the overall US homicide rate is comparable to the UN casualty count for the Russo-Ukraine war (most of which will be in Donbas, not Kyiv). So I wouldn't be completely certain the rate in Kyiv is necessarily higher. I don't think there's good figures but I'd wager it's actually lower than some US cities.
coldtea 4y ago
Yes, a city torn in war is less safe than SF, I'll give you that! Might as well add Lagos too!
- bombcar 4y ago
  Chicago has murder rates that eclipse actual wars.
  - Grum9 4y ago
    And I hear they have new progressive mayor, close call there almost flew too close to the center https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/04/chicago-mayoral-election-polls-brandon-johnson-paul-vallas https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/04/chicago-mayo...
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    it aint called chiraq for no reason you know
jen20 4y ago
Per Wikipedia, in 2019 there were 1428 murders across Ukraine (perhaps this includes the already-invaded Donbas and Luhansk regions, though I somewhat doubt it). Let's assume all of those happened in Kiev, with a population of 2.8 million (since I can't find more specific data easily right now). That gives a wildly inflated homicide rate per 100,000 population of 51. St Louis, Baltimore, Birmingham (AL) all had murder rates that year higher than this inflated figure. I don't think it's in dispute that most European capitals of any size have areas where one could easily get murdered, though. I can personally easily think of areas of London and Paris where I'd not be surprised by news of it happening.
ekianjo 4y ago
kiev is hardly what comes to mind when talking about european capitals.

Obvious there are some exceptions, but that's why I said "western europe." Pre-war Kyiv was still much much better than say St. Louis.

bestcoder69 4y ago

USA! USA!

komali2 4y ago

We found an example of a place more violent than most cities in the richest country on earth and possibly in all of human history! It's a city in a country engaged in a hot war!

lucideer 4y ago

I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek but the overall US homicide rate is comparable to the UN casualty count for the Russo-Ukraine war (most of which will be in Donbas, not Kyiv). So I wouldn't be completely certain the rate in Kyiv is necessarily higher. I don't think there's good figures but I'd wager it's actually lower than some US cities.

coldtea 4y ago

Yes, a city torn in war is less safe than SF, I'll give you that! Might as well add Lagos too!

bombcar 4y ago
Chicago has murder rates that eclipse actual wars.
- Grum9 4y ago
  And I hear they have new progressive mayor, close call there almost flew too close to the center https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/04/chicago-mayoral-election-polls-brandon-johnson-paul-vallas https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/04/chicago-mayo...
- collegeburner 4y ago
  it aint called chiraq for no reason you know

jen20 4y ago

Per Wikipedia, in 2019 there were 1428 murders across Ukraine (perhaps this includes the already-invaded Donbas and Luhansk regions, though I somewhat doubt it). Let's assume all of those happened in Kiev, with a population of 2.8 million (since I can't find more specific data easily right now). That gives a wildly inflated homicide rate per 100,000 population of 51. St Louis, Baltimore, Birmingham (AL) all had murder rates that year higher than this inflated figure. I don't think it's in dispute that most European capitals of any size have areas where one could easily get murdered, though. I can personally easily think of areas of London and Paris where I'd not be surprised by news of it happening.

ekianjo 4y ago

kiev is hardly what comes to mind when talking about european capitals.