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> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was
by game_the0ry 4y ago
> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was killed on that day.
I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this.
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- lancesells 4y agoNot to diminish this tragedy but I believe murders are close to an all-time low in the city.
- zamnos 4y agoThe sfgate article mentions that there were 10 murders by this point last year, compared to 12 this year. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/mill-valley-man-killed-sf-stabbing-17878809.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/mill-valley-man-kille...
- tlogan 4y agoFunny stat. Majority of murders happen in family. The recent FBI stat says that family members were responsible for 43% of them. Gangs are responsible for about 30%. Now since large number of families moved out from SF, and there are more no big local gangs (since there are no families) you have about 40% more random homicides. And these random ones are the worse and the most scary ones.
- dsfyu404ed 4y agoWhen crime stats say "gangs" they're not just talking about a street gang with a name, list of members, defined territory and stuff like that. They're also talking about people who engage in business that is not state sanctioned and therefore have to settle disputes with their own violence instead of getting a court to threaten state violence on their behalf. One part time drug dealer rounding up a couple buddies and putting a bullet in a guy who ripped him off will show up as and makes up a huge chunk of what's considered "gang violence" in these stats. When comparing cities it's useful to differentiate between random crime and crime where the parties to know each other.
- tlogan 4y agoThe scary part of SF homicides now that you can be walking around and some crazy guy just shoots you or stab you without any reason whatsoever. They are not professional criminals: they are just so drugged up or whatever.
- throwaway4aday 4y agoI think that should be rephrased, I see what you mean but it sounds weird to call 43% a majority since the other 57% of murders are not family related.
- knorker 4y agoThat's a funny majority. Like how most rapes (about 33%) are committed by someone you know.
- coldtea 4y agoIf by "all-time low" you mean "the highest of the last 10 years" (we need to go to 2012 to find a higher value, with 2007/2008 being the peak of the last 20 years). And also if we're willing to accept this pretty high bar... For comparison the UK, not exactly the safest country in Europe, had 12x the homicides for 80x the population, which puts SF at 6 times more homicides per population.
- avsteele 4y agoThis is wrong. The 56-year low was 2019. 2021,2022 up about >30% from that. Oakland and Vallejo increases even more horrible. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/crime-homicides-oakland-17739710.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/crime-homicides-... https://sfist.com/2023/01/03/sf-sees-exact-same-number-of-homicides-in-2022-as-previous-year-while-burglaries-are-down/ https://sfist.com/2023/01/03/sf-sees-exact-same-number-of-ho...
- nopenotthat 4y agoIf by >30% you mean… 3, sure. Because that’s the difference between 2019s all time low year at this point… and so far in 2023. Oh and ‘21 & ‘22 by now? Difference of 2. Absolute numbers don’t sound as scary as percentages tho do they? Might ruin your narrative.
- avsteele 4y agoIn the SF Chron article it says the #'s for San Francisco are: 2019 = 41 2020 = 48 2021 = 56 2022 = 56 If you can't discuss the facts in a civil manner I am not going to discuss the issue with you any further.
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- peoplefromibiza 4y agowell that says a lot, San Francisco had in 3 months the same number of homicides that Rome has in one year, while also being 3 times larger. SF average homicide rate: 7.1/100k [1] Rome average homicide rate: 0.5/100k [2] [1] https://abc7news.com/feature/san-francisco-bay-area-safety-tracker-crime-stats-how-safe-is-my-neighborhood-zip-code-statistics/12442207/ https://abc7news.com/feature/san-francisco-bay-area-safety-t... [2] (in Italian) https://www.agi.it/fact-checking/omicidio_sacchi_sicurezza_roma-6434767/news/2019-10-26/ https://www.agi.it/fact-checking/omicidio_sacchi_sicurezza_r...
- cylinder 4y agoHow does it feel to post outright incorrect information? Do you delete now or leave it up?
- beavisthegenius 4y ago[dead]
- komali2 4y ago> I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this. Based on the subreddit, which is usually a trash fire, it's what you'd expect I guess? Everyone thinks murder is bad, so we start at that baseline, and from there it's a couple classes of people arguing with eachother: those that are happy to consider san francisco "a shithole" or whatever hot reactionary word of the day the rest of the country is using to label SF as enemy #1 of traditional american values and are essentially exuberant to have a new single point of data to sling around, and those that are overcorrecting against this and diminishing the real problems in SF in an attempt to whitewash while to be fair making things seem more true to reality, that is to say, portray SF as, statistically speaking, relatively safe and boring for a US metropolitan area. As a former SF resident I think it's really sad that someone got murdered and I'm really angry about it. I'm mad at whoever did it, what a scumbag. I'm hopeful that there will be justice. I'm also afraid that this might give ammunition to reactionaries that want to overfund or overarm the SFPD, and that this will lend further political strength to politicians like bloodthirsty DAs that get their rocks off to throwing young POC in prison for minor drug offenses. Cynically, part of me knows that finally some of the issues SF has been facing and the various leaders have been ignoring or handling poorly will probably be handled properly now that a rich person has been murdered. Well, no, cynical me again, probably this just means the cops will be cut loose a bit more and ineffective, punitive policies will be enacted / enforced / tightened.
- zamnos 4y agoIf they're able to tie this back to a seedy tale of a crypto millionaire gone wrong, and can't blame it on the homeless, then what will they do?
- shuckles 4y agoMost criminal justice reform is implemented at the state level so hopefully you are assured that punitive sentences for petty crimes is not actually possible anymore in California. In any case, even the most pro-incarceration DA electable in San Francisco would be a reform candidate in almost every jurisdiction of the country.
- bart_spoon 4y ago
- lupire 4y agoSadness and anger about a murder.
- throwayyy479087 4y agoThis thread is 90%+ people denying the very existence of a problem. Last time I was in SF, people were shocked that I felt less comfortable than I do in Detroit. Detroit doesn't tolerate half the shit SF does - no encampments, no wandering screamers, etc. Yes, violent and organized crime is much higher - but when you're QOL is lower than the symbol of urban decline........
- Vervious 4y agoBig +1 to you.
- alphabettsy 4y ago> Detroit doesn't tolerate half the shit SF does - no encampments, no wandering screamers, etc. Huh? The homeless squat in abandoned houses and when it’s warm they absolutely do have tents. Wandering screamers? Really, they don’t because that wasn’t my experience either. Maybe Detroit is just much smaller, has different weather and has fewer homeless?
- throwayyy479087 4y agoDetroit is almost exactly the same size as SF. Detroit has cheap housing AND STILL BUILDS MORE. SF has decided that NIMBYism is the solution to homelessness, and it's obviously not working.
- alphabettsy 4y agoSize as in geographic area or population? Detroit has blocks and blocks where only a single house exists, thousands of empty lots and abandoned homes. Easier to build when there’s cheap empty lots.
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- brodouevencode 4y agoTime to bring back Dirty Harry.
- brodouevencode 4y agoApparently this was not taken as the tongue-in-cheek statement it was meant to be.