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That kinda sounds like fanfiction to me? And people share and talk about that all the time. It would definitely be more niche, but I could see sites and communi

That kinda sounds like fanfiction to me? And people share and talk about that all the time. It would definitely be more niche, but I could see sites and communities for it springing up, the video equivalent of AO3 or so on. I do think it would be more satisfying to let other people do the "self generated" personal versions of a movie and watch that though, even if it's hobbyist level.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
Right, but still, there is only so much fanfiction produced for any given franchise, as there are only so many fanfiction writers able and inclined to do the work. Now imagine if anyone could casually just fork a piece of writing and adapt to their personal tastes. "Like this, but make X be in love with Y instead of Z. Also make Z not really die but make a surprise comeback in the final chapter." It might be fun to play with such capability for a moment or two, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying exchanging such stories - if everyone can trivially change anything, then everything becomes arbitrary. There is no story, only everyone looking at their own selfie. Incidentally, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 already give us this capability with smaller pieces of fiction. You can literally alter any short story like I described above, today. Anyone can. And somehow, I don't see any takers. I think people realize there's no entertainment value in it. Hence, this is what might just save Hollywood et al. Erotica is one exception to what I described above, as it's by nature the kind of fiction to be enjoyed personally, not in a wider context. And, of course, erotic story generators are as old as the Internet.
- bartislartfast 4y ago
  > Incidentally, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 already give us this capability with smaller pieces of fiction. You can literally alter any short story like I described above, today. Anyone can. And somehow, I don't see any takers. I think people realize there's no entertainment value in it. Hence, this is what might just save Hollywood et al. Writing, even prompting, is more work than reading, and it takes some of the fun out of it - plot twists are no fun if you told someone what they should be.
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    Even assuming the prompting is near-zero work (i.e. equivalent to commenting on the movie while watching it), you're spot on about the plot twists. Which is one of those reasons why I argue that the ability to self-generate movies, TV shows, etc. will not kill Hollywood and the entertainment industry, simply because people will quickly realize there's no fun in such works (whether self-generated by yourself, or by others).
  - grumbel 4y ago
    The beauty is that you don't need to write a complex prompt, you already have a language model to do that for you. You can have GPT write an outline, come up with some plot twists and than write a full story based on all that. You don't have to do anything here. Plain ChatGPT still requires a bit back and force to get complex tasks going, but Auto-GPT already has a loop around it that makes it possible for GPT to feed into itself and perform complex tasks that are beyond a singular prompt line. Even without that, ChatGPT can already provide quite serviceable short stories, with no effort on the user beyond "write a short story". The biggest practical show stopper right now is that ChatGPT has strict filtering, so the moment you have guns, action and death, the story just ends. BingChat is even more extreme with the filtering and will fail almost every time.
    - bartislartfast 4y ago
      > the moment you have guns, action and death So no John Wick fanfic then

TeMPOraL 4y ago

Right, but still, there is only so much fanfiction produced for any given franchise, as there are only so many fanfiction writers able and inclined to do the work. Now imagine if anyone could casually just fork a piece of writing and adapt to their personal tastes. "Like this, but make X be in love with Y instead of Z. Also make Z not really die but make a surprise comeback in the final chapter." It might be fun to play with such capability for a moment or two, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying exchanging such stories - if everyone can trivially change anything, then everything becomes arbitrary. There is no story, only everyone looking at their own selfie. Incidentally, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 already give us this capability with smaller pieces of fiction. You can literally alter any short story like I described above, today. Anyone can. And somehow, I don't see any takers. I think people realize there's no entertainment value in it. Hence, this is what might just save Hollywood et al. Erotica is one exception to what I described above, as it's by nature the kind of fiction to be enjoyed personally, not in a wider context. And, of course, erotic story generators are as old as the Internet.

bartislartfast 4y ago
> Incidentally, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 already give us this capability with smaller pieces of fiction. You can literally alter any short story like I described above, today. Anyone can. And somehow, I don't see any takers. I think people realize there's no entertainment value in it. Hence, this is what might just save Hollywood et al. Writing, even prompting, is more work than reading, and it takes some of the fun out of it - plot twists are no fun if you told someone what they should be.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  Even assuming the prompting is near-zero work (i.e. equivalent to commenting on the movie while watching it), you're spot on about the plot twists. Which is one of those reasons why I argue that the ability to self-generate movies, TV shows, etc. will not kill Hollywood and the entertainment industry, simply because people will quickly realize there's no fun in such works (whether self-generated by yourself, or by others).
- grumbel 4y ago
  The beauty is that you don't need to write a complex prompt, you already have a language model to do that for you. You can have GPT write an outline, come up with some plot twists and than write a full story based on all that. You don't have to do anything here. Plain ChatGPT still requires a bit back and force to get complex tasks going, but Auto-GPT already has a loop around it that makes it possible for GPT to feed into itself and perform complex tasks that are beyond a singular prompt line. Even without that, ChatGPT can already provide quite serviceable short stories, with no effort on the user beyond "write a short story". The biggest practical show stopper right now is that ChatGPT has strict filtering, so the moment you have guns, action and death, the story just ends. BingChat is even more extreme with the filtering and will fail almost every time.
  - bartislartfast 4y ago
    > the moment you have guns, action and death So no John Wick fanfic then