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what, are you saying that LGBTQ people are mentally ill? as in, our sexuality is caused by "underlying mental issues"? that's a revolting take, if so.

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4gotunameagain 4y ago
Being transexual correlates greatly with other mental illnesses, and I do not think that is caused by externalities.
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  I spent nine months being supportive to a trans youth. She had been horribly, horribly abused by her parents her entire life and the abuse ramped up when she came out as trans. I'm quite confident her mental health issues were due to the extreme abuse she suffered and not due to being trans per se.
  - 4gotunameagain 4y ago
    Ah so your n=1 of an already mentally ill person who came out as trans can be extrapolated to prove that transexualism and mental illness are not correlated, contrary to any published research. Makes perfect sense. You n=1 could also very well be interpreted as the extreme abuse being the source for the transexualism as well. Anyway with all the respect I will stop replying now.
    - DoreenMichele 4y ago
      Ah so your n=1 of an already mentally ill person who came out as trans can be extrapolated to prove that transexualism and mental illness are not correlated, contrary to any published research. No, that isn't my position at all. You want to cite some research so I can look at it, feel free. So far, you have not cited anything, just made general assertions and shared your opinion. My opinion differs from yours and I'm telling you part of why -- but only part of why.
      - 4gotunameagain 4y ago
        10.1023/A:1019724712983 10.1111/j.1440-1819.2010.02118.x 10.1155/2014/463757 10.1111/j.1600-0447.1993.tb03467.x 10.1023/A:1024517302481
        DoreenMichele 4y ago
        If that's a list of citations, it's gibberish to me.
        4gotunameagain 4y ago
        It is a list of Digital Object Identifiers. Something that comes up very frequently in research. You can plug them in google scholar or sci-hub.
        DoreenMichele 4y ago
        Thank you. 10.1023/A:1019724712983 The correlation between GID and depression was modest, but significant (r = .20; P < .05), whereas the correlation between GID and separation anxiety was nonsignificant (P > .05). 10.1111/j.1440-1819.2010.02118.x Comparison with previous reports on the psychiatric comorbidity among GID patients revealed that the majority of GID patients had no psychiatric comorbidity. GID is a diagnostic entity in its own right, not necessarily associated with severe comorbid psychological findings. 10.1155/2014/463757 Clinical evidence suggests that schizophrenia occurs in patients with GID at rates higher than in the general population and that patients with GID may have schizophrenia-like personality traits. Conversely, patients with schizophrenia may experience alterations in gender identity and gender role perception. 10.1111/j.1600-0447.1993.tb03467.x Personality disorders, mainly within cluster B, were identified among 5 of 19 transsexuals, and a majority had multiple personality disorders. Among controls, no personality disorder was identified. Personality traits as measured by the SCID screen revealed significantly more subthreshold pathology among transsexuals than controls in 8 of 12 personality categories. I will note that there were only 19 trans individuals in the above study. 10.1023/A:1024517302481 (One quarter had had problems with substance abuse prior to entering treatment, but less than 10% evidenced problems associated with mental illness, genital mutilation, or suicide attempts. Those completing the MMPI (93 female and 44 male) demonstrated profiles that were notably free of psychopathology (e.g., Axis I or Axis II criteria). This last study supports what I and other people are saying here: That when allowed to be themselves, their psychological issues largely disappear. Your second study also asserts "no comorbodity" of GID and major psychiatric issues. Your first study shows only a small effect of increased depression and separation anxiety, issues not usually viewed as "crazy" like "crazy homeless people committing violence" levels of crazy. The only study you cited that seems to meaningfully support your position is the correlation with increased rates of schizophrenia. Someone taking master's level classes in psychology once said to me something like "Schizophrenia is known to get worse due to social factors. You put schizophrenics in residential treatment, they get better. You send them home to their crazy-making families, they get worse again."
  - selfmodruntime 4y ago
    Correlation is not causation.
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4gotunameagain 4y ago

Being transexual correlates greatly with other mental illnesses, and I do not think that is caused by externalities.

DoreenMichele 4y ago
I spent nine months being supportive to a trans youth. She had been horribly, horribly abused by her parents her entire life and the abuse ramped up when she came out as trans. I'm quite confident her mental health issues were due to the extreme abuse she suffered and not due to being trans per se.
- 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  Ah so your n=1 of an already mentally ill person who came out as trans can be extrapolated to prove that transexualism and mental illness are not correlated, contrary to any published research. Makes perfect sense. You n=1 could also very well be interpreted as the extreme abuse being the source for the transexualism as well. Anyway with all the respect I will stop replying now.
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    Ah so your n=1 of an already mentally ill person who came out as trans can be extrapolated to prove that transexualism and mental illness are not correlated, contrary to any published research. No, that isn't my position at all. You want to cite some research so I can look at it, feel free. So far, you have not cited anything, just made general assertions and shared your opinion. My opinion differs from yours and I'm telling you part of why -- but only part of why.
    - 4gotunameagain 4y ago
      10.1023/A:1019724712983 10.1111/j.1440-1819.2010.02118.x 10.1155/2014/463757 10.1111/j.1600-0447.1993.tb03467.x 10.1023/A:1024517302481
      - DoreenMichele 4y ago
        If that's a list of citations, it's gibberish to me.
        4gotunameagain 4y ago
        It is a list of Digital Object Identifiers. Something that comes up very frequently in research. You can plug them in google scholar or sci-hub.
        DoreenMichele 4y ago
        Thank you. 10.1023/A:1019724712983 The correlation between GID and depression was modest, but significant (r = .20; P < .05), whereas the correlation between GID and separation anxiety was nonsignificant (P > .05). 10.1111/j.1440-1819.2010.02118.x Comparison with previous reports on the psychiatric comorbidity among GID patients revealed that the majority of GID patients had no psychiatric comorbidity. GID is a diagnostic entity in its own right, not necessarily associated with severe comorbid psychological findings. 10.1155/2014/463757 Clinical evidence suggests that schizophrenia occurs in patients with GID at rates higher than in the general population and that patients with GID may have schizophrenia-like personality traits. Conversely, patients with schizophrenia may experience alterations in gender identity and gender role perception. 10.1111/j.1600-0447.1993.tb03467.x Personality disorders, mainly within cluster B, were identified among 5 of 19 transsexuals, and a majority had multiple personality disorders. Among controls, no personality disorder was identified. Personality traits as measured by the SCID screen revealed significantly more subthreshold pathology among transsexuals than controls in 8 of 12 personality categories. I will note that there were only 19 trans individuals in the above study. 10.1023/A:1024517302481 (One quarter had had problems with substance abuse prior to entering treatment, but less than 10% evidenced problems associated with mental illness, genital mutilation, or suicide attempts. Those completing the MMPI (93 female and 44 male) demonstrated profiles that were notably free of psychopathology (e.g., Axis I or Axis II criteria). This last study supports what I and other people are saying here: That when allowed to be themselves, their psychological issues largely disappear. Your second study also asserts "no comorbodity" of GID and major psychiatric issues. Your first study shows only a small effect of increased depression and separation anxiety, issues not usually viewed as "crazy" like "crazy homeless people committing violence" levels of crazy. The only study you cited that seems to meaningfully support your position is the correlation with increased rates of schizophrenia. Someone taking master's level classes in psychology once said to me something like "Schizophrenia is known to get worse due to social factors. You put schizophrenics in residential treatment, they get better. You send them home to their crazy-making families, they get worse again."
- selfmodruntime 4y ago
  Correlation is not causation.
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