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This became a "right" thing when the Democratic Party--or more succinctly, the people they put on the ballots in liberal cities--have moved so hard to the left

This became a "right" thing when the Democratic Party--or more succinctly, the people they put on the ballots in liberal cities--have moved so hard to the left that they are unrecognizable to normal classically liberal Americans like myself. When these folks are running in the general election, they say all the right things to keep the votes from normal traditional Democrats who appear to have no idea who they're actually voting for. Once they're in, they go completely radical and do so relentlessly. Some of these DAs appear to be the worst, most evil, least-caring public officials I've ever observed in my life.

graderjs 3y ago
I'm familiar with that argument--but my suspicion is the whole "Dem cities are havens of crime" trope, is masking the true issue--in effect creating partisan polarization that distracts and outrages folks, in place of actual clarity, and results that shift the status quo in a more favorable direction (which, by virtue of such change not occuring, seems reasonable to conclude that said change must be imposing on some powerful interest--but what interest that could be, that wants there to be crime, I cannot fathom). Surely this can't be the blanket cause?
- chrissnell 3y ago
  It's partisan but only because of the state of the parties. Democrat-run Austin Texas used to be heaven in the 1970s and 80s. Then radicals took over and somehow got elected and now you have a total sh*tshow.
- insanejudge 3y ago
  The data in SF is pretty clear (https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ , "District Attorney Actions on Arrests Presented" for example), and as the trend appears to be everywhere else, arrests are down and rates of charges filed are similar or even higher. In the SF case rates have been higher in the last two years than all of the previous data there back to 2011. Similar story in LA where filing rates did not appreciably change.
KyeRussell 3y ago
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- chrissnell 3y ago
  I'm willing to bet that I've been to more cities, states, and countries in my time than you have but, whatever, keep it up with the ad hominem quips.
  - virgildotcodes 3y ago
    So then you are aware that what passes for “left wing” in US politics is considered moderate in the rest of the developed world, i.e. Western Europe, Scandinavia, Canada. Yet virtually all these countries have far better outcomes than us on most social issues, including violent crime and rehabilitation. So perhaps the issue isn’t left wing policies?
    - likecarter 3y ago
      The rest of the world doesn’t have elected DA’s.
    - junofan 3y ago
      There’s human shit on the streets. A man was stabbed to death. Let’s stay on topic.
    - fallingknife 3y ago
      Which of these things are considered moderate in any of the rest of the developed world? - allowing arrested thieves to walk free without charges - removing advanced math classes from high schools in the name of equality - legalized racial discrimination in school admissions and hiring - allowing transgender men to compete against women in sports
    - lizardking 3y ago
      You are conflating economic leftism (which is not what is being discussed) with social leftism.

graderjs 3y ago

I'm familiar with that argument--but my suspicion is the whole "Dem cities are havens of crime" trope, is masking the true issue--in effect creating partisan polarization that distracts and outrages folks, in place of actual clarity, and results that shift the status quo in a more favorable direction (which, by virtue of such change not occuring, seems reasonable to conclude that said change must be imposing on some powerful interest--but what interest that could be, that wants there to be crime, I cannot fathom). Surely this can't be the blanket cause?

chrissnell 3y ago
It's partisan but only because of the state of the parties. Democrat-run Austin Texas used to be heaven in the 1970s and 80s. Then radicals took over and somehow got elected and now you have a total sh*tshow.
insanejudge 3y ago
The data in SF is pretty clear (https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/data-dashboards/ , "District Attorney Actions on Arrests Presented" for example), and as the trend appears to be everywhere else, arrests are down and rates of charges filed are similar or even higher. In the SF case rates have been higher in the last two years than all of the previous data there back to 2011. Similar story in LA where filing rates did not appreciably change.

KyeRussell 3y ago

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chrissnell 3y ago
I'm willing to bet that I've been to more cities, states, and countries in my time than you have but, whatever, keep it up with the ad hominem quips.
- virgildotcodes 3y ago
  So then you are aware that what passes for “left wing” in US politics is considered moderate in the rest of the developed world, i.e. Western Europe, Scandinavia, Canada. Yet virtually all these countries have far better outcomes than us on most social issues, including violent crime and rehabilitation. So perhaps the issue isn’t left wing policies?
  - likecarter 3y ago
    The rest of the world doesn’t have elected DA’s.
  - junofan 3y ago
    There’s human shit on the streets. A man was stabbed to death. Let’s stay on topic.
  - fallingknife 3y ago
    Which of these things are considered moderate in any of the rest of the developed world? - allowing arrested thieves to walk free without charges - removing advanced math classes from high schools in the name of equality - legalized racial discrimination in school admissions and hiring - allowing transgender men to compete against women in sports
  - lizardking 3y ago
    You are conflating economic leftism (which is not what is being discussed) with social leftism.