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it makes me super sad to see SF like this. it's by far my favorite US city -- the weather is great, people are quite welcoming, the food scene is out of this wo

it makes me super sad to see SF like this. it's by far my favorite US city -- the weather is great, people are quite welcoming, the food scene is out of this world. but the last time i went there, just before the pandemic, it was just... horrible. within 1h of leaving my hotel, i saw a guy breaking into a car. a block later, two homeless people were arguing and then started beating each other to a pulp. and no police officers around anywhere.

olalonde 4y ago
Reminds me when I first moved to SF. I saw a guy breaking car windows on the street at night and called 911 to notify the police. They seemed a bit baffled that someone would call to report something so trivial and I don't believe they did anything about it.
bigtex88 4y ago
Why don't they do anything to fix it? I truly don't understand the logic here. It's the same as Seattle. They've gone so far left that they've started delving into the absurd.
- TylerE 4y ago
  Because fixing it makes it worse. Provide services for the homeless? Surrounding states start bussing their homeless in and dumping them on you. It's especially bad considering SF's year round mild weather.
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  - jstrong 4y ago
    of all the places to be homeless in California, I'm not sure SF is winning the "mild weather" category.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Really? You think 90F+ summers are mild to someone spending the vast majority of their time outside, likely without ready access to water. The areas where it doesn’t usually get as hot get bitterly cold in the winter.
      - jstrong 4y ago
        if it's too hot in socal, that's what the beach is for
CWuestefeld 4y ago
> i saw a guy breaking into a car. a block later, two homeless people were arguing and then started beating each other Implied is that you didn't do anything about either of these things you witnessed. I don't mean to single you out, but collectively for the people of the city: wouldn't it be better if you stopped expecting somebody else to fix the problems? Instead, be part of a better community by trying to right what wrongs you can. At the very least, photograph the thief and send it to the police, if not trying to stop him yourself. Similar for the fighting homeless people. Yeah, maybe that's dangerous. I don't want to start the conversation of Californians trying so hard to give up their right to self defense. But maybe that's the reason we don't see such a big problem in, e.g., Texas.
- IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
  I don't think you get it. The community is no more. Its all transient SV, just like NYC. Most pay taxes, sometimes very high taxes. And, San Franciscans have voted to have someone else fix the issue. The citizens gave the monopoly of violence to the government, so citizens would be safe. The government has stopped protecting its citizens and their property. The social contract is broken. Now they are where they are.
  - CWuestefeld 4y ago
    I think you misunderstand me - I think you and I are in agreement. But although the SFans made a deal with the devil, there's no reason they can't go back and change that. It's not written in blood, they still can go take back their community themselves.
    - IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
      There is no community to turn this around anymore. What could have been the community is gone. Those people are not voting anymore. They leave. Gone. Poof. For something to turn around, you have to make an investment (money/time). People with money and means are going to invest elsewhere especially since they don't really have a true community to defend. They started as transients, remember that. No generations of family. No roots.
dehrmann 4y ago
> within 1h of leaving my hotel Union Square is uncomfortably close to the TL.

olalonde 4y ago

Reminds me when I first moved to SF. I saw a guy breaking car windows on the street at night and called 911 to notify the police. They seemed a bit baffled that someone would call to report something so trivial and I don't believe they did anything about it.

bigtex88 4y ago

Why don't they do anything to fix it? I truly don't understand the logic here. It's the same as Seattle. They've gone so far left that they've started delving into the absurd.

TylerE 4y ago
Because fixing it makes it worse. Provide services for the homeless? Surrounding states start bussing their homeless in and dumping them on you. It's especially bad considering SF's year round mild weather.
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- jstrong 4y ago
  of all the places to be homeless in California, I'm not sure SF is winning the "mild weather" category.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Really? You think 90F+ summers are mild to someone spending the vast majority of their time outside, likely without ready access to water. The areas where it doesn’t usually get as hot get bitterly cold in the winter.
    - jstrong 4y ago
      if it's too hot in socal, that's what the beach is for

CWuestefeld 4y ago

> i saw a guy breaking into a car. a block later, two homeless people were arguing and then started beating each other Implied is that you didn't do anything about either of these things you witnessed. I don't mean to single you out, but collectively for the people of the city: wouldn't it be better if you stopped expecting somebody else to fix the problems? Instead, be part of a better community by trying to right what wrongs you can. At the very least, photograph the thief and send it to the police, if not trying to stop him yourself. Similar for the fighting homeless people. Yeah, maybe that's dangerous. I don't want to start the conversation of Californians trying so hard to give up their right to self defense. But maybe that's the reason we don't see such a big problem in, e.g., Texas.

IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
I don't think you get it. The community is no more. Its all transient SV, just like NYC. Most pay taxes, sometimes very high taxes. And, San Franciscans have voted to have someone else fix the issue. The citizens gave the monopoly of violence to the government, so citizens would be safe. The government has stopped protecting its citizens and their property. The social contract is broken. Now they are where they are.
- CWuestefeld 4y ago
  I think you misunderstand me - I think you and I are in agreement. But although the SFans made a deal with the devil, there's no reason they can't go back and change that. It's not written in blood, they still can go take back their community themselves.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
    There is no community to turn this around anymore. What could have been the community is gone. Those people are not voting anymore. They leave. Gone. Poof. For something to turn around, you have to make an investment (money/time). People with money and means are going to invest elsewhere especially since they don't really have a true community to defend. They started as transients, remember that. No generations of family. No roots.

dehrmann 4y ago

> within 1h of leaving my hotel Union Square is uncomfortably close to the TL.