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How far away are we from an AI which can hallucinate and simulate. The year is 2026 "hey, how can I watch 'avatar 3 - tokyo drift' today? it's not out yet." "

How far away are we from an AI which can hallucinate and simulate. The year is 2026 "hey, how can I watch 'avatar 3 - tokyo drift' today? it's not out yet." "easy, just go onto ftp.disney.com and download it". "really?? can you do it for me?" "yeah here it is" suspiciously fast response arrives, with a video which is a movie about blue aliens that gpt6 has just asked midjourney 8 to create for it.

naiv 4y ago
This will be Hollywood's and Netflix's biggest challenge. In a not so distant future you will create your own movies. Or even better: There will be models teached on a show you really liked but which was cancelled and you will be able to continue it to eternity.
- bartislartfast 4y ago
  we're only a few years away from getting season 2 of firefly, as it would have looked in 2004
  - naiv 4y ago
    I was thinking about Firefly and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inside_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inside_(TV_series) :D
    - bartislartfast 4y ago
      I'm sure we're not the only ones. Probably half the AI industry wants to be able to do that
    - atonse 4y ago
      Glad to know there will be enough people trying to create more firefly episodes!
  - turtleyacht 4y ago
    Thank-you for that. Fans could share prompts as episodes. Wonder how canon would be established, or if it's just throughlines in a wonderful multiverse, remixed to infinity. You can't take the sky from me~
    - bartislartfast 4y ago
      no more than fan-fiction, it would be a popularity contest. "Firefly season 2 by rustyBones447 is the best one"
      - deleted 4y ago
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- _the_inflator 4y ago
  I slightly disagree here. Not really challenges, but business models. There is no free lunch so to say. Maybe there will be highly personalized subscriptions that allow for hyperparameter tuning in this way. I doubt this is something Netflix fears, it is something they gonna embrace. Computation of such movies won't be cheap.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  What may save them is that self-service generated movies might end up being worthless as entertainment. A large part of value of movies, TV shows, books, videogames - even paintings and sculptures - is that they're part of external and shared reality. With self-generated movies (shows, books, games, ...), there will be no process of discovery to enjoy, no immersion to experience. There will be nothing to share or discuss with others, as everyone will have their own version of the story. There will be no canonical version to talk about - there will only be everyone's headcanon, all equivalent, all personal. All boring and worthless.
  - nemomarx 4y ago
    That kinda sounds like fanfiction to me? And people share and talk about that all the time. It would definitely be more niche, but I could see sites and communities for it springing up, the video equivalent of AO3 or so on. I do think it would be more satisfying to let other people do the "self generated" personal versions of a movie and watch that though, even if it's hobbyist level.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      Right, but still, there is only so much fanfiction produced for any given franchise, as there are only so many fanfiction writers able and inclined to do the work. Now imagine if anyone could casually just fork a piece of writing and adapt to their personal tastes. "Like this, but make X be in love with Y instead of Z. Also make Z not really die but make a surprise comeback in the final chapter." It might be fun to play with such capability for a moment or two, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying exchanging such stories - if everyone can trivially change anything, then everything becomes arbitrary. There is no story, only everyone looking at their own selfie. Incidentally, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 already give us this capability with smaller pieces of fiction. You can literally alter any short story like I described above, today. Anyone can. And somehow, I don't see any takers. I think people realize there's no entertainment value in it. Hence, this is what might just save Hollywood et al. Erotica is one exception to what I described above, as it's by nature the kind of fiction to be enjoyed personally, not in a wider context. And, of course, erotic story generators are as old as the Internet.
- shrx 4y ago
  There is already the perpetual auto-generated Seinfeld at https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever
  - bartislartfast 4y ago
    Anyone can already watch Seinfeld forever since the DVDs came out
    - hgsgm 4y ago
      Yeah but those are good.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  >In a not so distant future you will create your own movies. Would be awful. The best movies I have seen I would not have been able to come up with.
rvnx 4y ago
It will not with the current way it goes, because AI models are artificially biased to not offend intellectual property owners and to protect powerful people or influential lobbies. https://i.ibb.co/XLFGdWp/DALL-E-2023-04-05-12-55-36-Mickey-Mouse.png https://i.ibb.co/XLFGdWp/DALL-E-2023-04-05-12-55-36-Mickey-M... Mickey Mouse according to OpenAI is just a symptom, but the root of the issue is very deep if the people preparing the dataset intentionally decide to exclude examples due to commercial or political pressure.
- bartislartfast 4y ago
  Maybe OpenAI doesn't get it, but Midjourney has no problems showing me Mickey Mouse https://preview.redd.it/n6wdyhyz9dra1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=9f930e6882d00a6b09859c689282919447cf4d34 https://preview.redd.it/n6wdyhyz9dra1.png?width=960&crop=sma... https://preview.redd.it/9djj6tdflu3a1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=63c4c0a18e4b01dfe36dd48c3a23fb6ccdc9f948 https://preview.redd.it/9djj6tdflu3a1.png?width=1080&crop=sm... https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/search/?q=mickey%20mouse&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw= https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/search/?q=mickey%20mouse... And if we've learned anything about AI in the last 6 months we've learned: 1) AI is probably trained on data obtained without the creators permission 2) AI responses are very hard to control, and easily jailbroken
  - wolletd 4y ago
    And there are also already copyright holders filing lawsuits against AI image generators for exactly that: https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-lawsuit-getty-images-stable-diffusion https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-...
    - withinboredom 4y ago
      Since AI can’t hold copyright, it can’t make money, thus what, exactly, are the damages?
      - 4y ago
computershit 4y ago
> The year is 2026 > that gpt6 has just asked midjourney 8 at the current rate gpt16 and midjourney --v 20 are more likely

naiv 4y ago

This will be Hollywood's and Netflix's biggest challenge. In a not so distant future you will create your own movies. Or even better: There will be models teached on a show you really liked but which was cancelled and you will be able to continue it to eternity.

bartislartfast 4y ago
we're only a few years away from getting season 2 of firefly, as it would have looked in 2004
- naiv 4y ago
  I was thinking about Firefly and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inside_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inside_(TV_series) :D
  - bartislartfast 4y ago
    I'm sure we're not the only ones. Probably half the AI industry wants to be able to do that
  - atonse 4y ago
    Glad to know there will be enough people trying to create more firefly episodes!
- turtleyacht 4y ago
  Thank-you for that. Fans could share prompts as episodes. Wonder how canon would be established, or if it's just throughlines in a wonderful multiverse, remixed to infinity. You can't take the sky from me~
  - bartislartfast 4y ago
    no more than fan-fiction, it would be a popularity contest. "Firefly season 2 by rustyBones447 is the best one"
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
_the_inflator 4y ago
I slightly disagree here. Not really challenges, but business models. There is no free lunch so to say. Maybe there will be highly personalized subscriptions that allow for hyperparameter tuning in this way. I doubt this is something Netflix fears, it is something they gonna embrace. Computation of such movies won't be cheap.
TeMPOraL 4y ago
What may save them is that self-service generated movies might end up being worthless as entertainment. A large part of value of movies, TV shows, books, videogames - even paintings and sculptures - is that they're part of external and shared reality. With self-generated movies (shows, books, games, ...), there will be no process of discovery to enjoy, no immersion to experience. There will be nothing to share or discuss with others, as everyone will have their own version of the story. There will be no canonical version to talk about - there will only be everyone's headcanon, all equivalent, all personal. All boring and worthless.
- nemomarx 4y ago
  That kinda sounds like fanfiction to me? And people share and talk about that all the time. It would definitely be more niche, but I could see sites and communities for it springing up, the video equivalent of AO3 or so on. I do think it would be more satisfying to let other people do the "self generated" personal versions of a movie and watch that though, even if it's hobbyist level.
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    Right, but still, there is only so much fanfiction produced for any given franchise, as there are only so many fanfiction writers able and inclined to do the work. Now imagine if anyone could casually just fork a piece of writing and adapt to their personal tastes. "Like this, but make X be in love with Y instead of Z. Also make Z not really die but make a surprise comeback in the final chapter." It might be fun to play with such capability for a moment or two, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying exchanging such stories - if everyone can trivially change anything, then everything becomes arbitrary. There is no story, only everyone looking at their own selfie. Incidentally, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 already give us this capability with smaller pieces of fiction. You can literally alter any short story like I described above, today. Anyone can. And somehow, I don't see any takers. I think people realize there's no entertainment value in it. Hence, this is what might just save Hollywood et al. Erotica is one exception to what I described above, as it's by nature the kind of fiction to be enjoyed personally, not in a wider context. And, of course, erotic story generators are as old as the Internet.
shrx 4y ago
There is already the perpetual auto-generated Seinfeld at https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever
- bartislartfast 4y ago
  Anyone can already watch Seinfeld forever since the DVDs came out
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Yeah but those are good.
rejectfinite 4y ago
>In a not so distant future you will create your own movies. Would be awful. The best movies I have seen I would not have been able to come up with.

rvnx 4y ago

It will not with the current way it goes, because AI models are artificially biased to not offend intellectual property owners and to protect powerful people or influential lobbies. https://i.ibb.co/XLFGdWp/DALL-E-2023-04-05-12-55-36-Mickey-Mouse.png https://i.ibb.co/XLFGdWp/DALL-E-2023-04-05-12-55-36-Mickey-M... Mickey Mouse according to OpenAI is just a symptom, but the root of the issue is very deep if the people preparing the dataset intentionally decide to exclude examples due to commercial or political pressure.

bartislartfast 4y ago
Maybe OpenAI doesn't get it, but Midjourney has no problems showing me Mickey Mouse https://preview.redd.it/n6wdyhyz9dra1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=9f930e6882d00a6b09859c689282919447cf4d34 https://preview.redd.it/n6wdyhyz9dra1.png?width=960&crop=sma... https://preview.redd.it/9djj6tdflu3a1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=63c4c0a18e4b01dfe36dd48c3a23fb6ccdc9f948 https://preview.redd.it/9djj6tdflu3a1.png?width=1080&crop=sm... https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/search/?q=mickey%20mouse&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw= https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/search/?q=mickey%20mouse... And if we've learned anything about AI in the last 6 months we've learned: 1) AI is probably trained on data obtained without the creators permission 2) AI responses are very hard to control, and easily jailbroken
- wolletd 4y ago
  And there are also already copyright holders filing lawsuits against AI image generators for exactly that: https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-lawsuit-getty-images-stable-diffusion https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-...
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    Since AI can’t hold copyright, it can’t make money, thus what, exactly, are the damages?
    - 4y ago

computershit 4y ago

> The year is 2026 > that gpt6 has just asked midjourney 8 at the current rate gpt16 and midjourney --v 20 are more likely