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In NYC we call that a "tune up".

by keithalewis 4y ago

jacquesm 4y ago
Elsewhere that is called 'police brutality' and should result in the sacking of the associated officers.
- mindslight 4y ago
  Ideally it should result in the prosecution of the perpetrating officers, the same as for anyone else who beats someone up.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Agreed. But once convicted they should never be allowed back on the force. That kind of stupidity is one of the driving forces behind the whole defund the police movement and one of the side effects of that is that you end up with less police rather than with more disciplined police which would have been a far better solution. Without a police force dense societies usually can not function.
    - mindslight 4y ago
      I swear the same pattern happens to every political movement. As soon as they get the limelight, the dumbest ideas take over. It's probably related to the bikeshed phenomenon. Defund the police does have a certain legitimate point in the US, where police are basically the catch all for dealing with any kind of social problem. In fact I think if it were phrased differently, most cops would rather there be another type of department that responded to sticky social situations. But yes, the fundamental issue is really a lack of law and order for law enforcement itself, which decreases the public trust and increases adversarialism. The average person seeing a cop and reflexively thinking how to avoid getting their attention and avoid getting hassled for some bullshit is an indicator of a deep set problem. The cancer was fueled by drug criminalization and other crushing nanny statism (eg the draconian ways that traffic laws are enforced), but it would take a lot more than simply rolling those back to regain the public trust.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        Quite. It's really a pity because as things are they will have to get much worse before they can get better again. And the ones who stand the most to lose are the ones that are the least likely to have any appreciation for the complexity of this all. Simplistic solutions only get you worse problems.

In NYC we call that a "tune up".

jacquesm 4y ago

Elsewhere that is called 'police brutality' and should result in the sacking of the associated officers.

mindslight 4y ago
Ideally it should result in the prosecution of the perpetrating officers, the same as for anyone else who beats someone up.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Agreed. But once convicted they should never be allowed back on the force. That kind of stupidity is one of the driving forces behind the whole defund the police movement and one of the side effects of that is that you end up with less police rather than with more disciplined police which would have been a far better solution. Without a police force dense societies usually can not function.
  - mindslight 4y ago
    I swear the same pattern happens to every political movement. As soon as they get the limelight, the dumbest ideas take over. It's probably related to the bikeshed phenomenon. Defund the police does have a certain legitimate point in the US, where police are basically the catch all for dealing with any kind of social problem. In fact I think if it were phrased differently, most cops would rather there be another type of department that responded to sticky social situations. But yes, the fundamental issue is really a lack of law and order for law enforcement itself, which decreases the public trust and increases adversarialism. The average person seeing a cop and reflexively thinking how to avoid getting their attention and avoid getting hassled for some bullshit is an indicator of a deep set problem. The cancer was fueled by drug criminalization and other crushing nanny statism (eg the draconian ways that traffic laws are enforced), but it would take a lot more than simply rolling those back to regain the public trust.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      Quite. It's really a pity because as things are they will have to get much worse before they can get better again. And the ones who stand the most to lose are the ones that are the least likely to have any appreciation for the complexity of this all. Simplistic solutions only get you worse problems.