3 ms·

I'd also ask what is the other side of this. What are the largest conservative cities in the US around 800k scale? It seems like the largest cities in big conse

I'd also ask what is the other side of this. What are the largest conservative cities in the US around 800k scale? It seems like the largest cities in big conservative states, such as TX (Houston, San Antonio, Dallas) or FL (Jacksonville, Miami), are at most as conservative as "purple" or liberal leaning. SF is also quite close to the national homicide average while being denser than most cities.

boc 4y ago
Largest is probably Oklahoma City. They average around 70 murders annually for a population of just under 700K, or around 35th in the nation for major cities. It has twice the rate of murder as SF according to that Wiki list posted above.
- refurb 4y ago
  Only vaguely related to your comment, but comparing cities can give unreliable data. City boundaries within a metropolitan area are often quite arbitrary. A murder can happen on one block and be in the city and two blocks over and outside the city. A good example is Detroit. Greater metro Detroit has 4.3M people, but the city of Detroit has 632,000. And the city of Detroit is where most of the poverty is and most murders happen, within the larger metro area, so you end up with super high murder rates for Detroit and super low murder rates for the surrounding area. But in the grand scheme of things it’s just one big metro area.
gfdsgfsdgfs 4y ago
SF is far richer than the median city. This is a bad comparison. SF should be compared against NYC, San Jose and Singapore not St Louis and Baltimore.
- AmericanChopper 4y ago
  I really like Singapore, but it’s almost a single party police state. It’s somewhat unique in a couple of respects. Mostly that it does actually provide the safety and stability that you are theoretically promised as a trade of for the compromised civil liberties, and that the government is kinda, mostly benevolent… But I don’t think it’s directly comparable to a country that embraces civil liberties. It’s probably pretty safe to walk around Pyongyang too. Economically speaking they also embrace a basically libertarian style of free market capitalism (in respect to everything except land use), which is another reason they’re not a great comparison.
  - the_third_wave 4y ago
    > I really like Singapore, but it’s almost a single party police state. SF is a single party city defunding the police. While they parallel Singapore in the single party system they are close to the opposite in nearly all other aspects and it shows. Both places are awash in money but one of them only seems to get worse the more money pours in. If I had to choose between the political system of San Francisco and that of Singapore I would choose the latter. It is a good thing I do not have to choose though since I don't like either of those systems, it is just that watching the slow-motion train wreck of San Francisco (among others) being run into the ground by self-proclaimed saviours of humanity is so disheartening, especially seen in the light of the claims made by those who push these policies. They must know that they are destroying the place, they can not be so blindsided by ideology. This only leaves the possibility that they are so hell-bent on staying in power that they will do anything it takes, no matter the consequences. How they can rhyme this with their self-proclaimed virtuous goals is beyond me.
fsckboy 4y ago
> the largest cities in big conservative states The largest cities in big conservative states are where all the Democrats in those states live. And the rural areas in all the big liberal states are where all the Republicans in those states live. Democrats by and large run the cities.

boc 4y ago

Largest is probably Oklahoma City. They average around 70 murders annually for a population of just under 700K, or around 35th in the nation for major cities. It has twice the rate of murder as SF according to that Wiki list posted above.

refurb 4y ago
Only vaguely related to your comment, but comparing cities can give unreliable data. City boundaries within a metropolitan area are often quite arbitrary. A murder can happen on one block and be in the city and two blocks over and outside the city. A good example is Detroit. Greater metro Detroit has 4.3M people, but the city of Detroit has 632,000. And the city of Detroit is where most of the poverty is and most murders happen, within the larger metro area, so you end up with super high murder rates for Detroit and super low murder rates for the surrounding area. But in the grand scheme of things it’s just one big metro area.

gfdsgfsdgfs 4y ago

SF is far richer than the median city. This is a bad comparison. SF should be compared against NYC, San Jose and Singapore not St Louis and Baltimore.

AmericanChopper 4y ago
I really like Singapore, but it’s almost a single party police state. It’s somewhat unique in a couple of respects. Mostly that it does actually provide the safety and stability that you are theoretically promised as a trade of for the compromised civil liberties, and that the government is kinda, mostly benevolent… But I don’t think it’s directly comparable to a country that embraces civil liberties. It’s probably pretty safe to walk around Pyongyang too. Economically speaking they also embrace a basically libertarian style of free market capitalism (in respect to everything except land use), which is another reason they’re not a great comparison.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  > I really like Singapore, but it’s almost a single party police state. SF is a single party city defunding the police. While they parallel Singapore in the single party system they are close to the opposite in nearly all other aspects and it shows. Both places are awash in money but one of them only seems to get worse the more money pours in. If I had to choose between the political system of San Francisco and that of Singapore I would choose the latter. It is a good thing I do not have to choose though since I don't like either of those systems, it is just that watching the slow-motion train wreck of San Francisco (among others) being run into the ground by self-proclaimed saviours of humanity is so disheartening, especially seen in the light of the claims made by those who push these policies. They must know that they are destroying the place, they can not be so blindsided by ideology. This only leaves the possibility that they are so hell-bent on staying in power that they will do anything it takes, no matter the consequences. How they can rhyme this with their self-proclaimed virtuous goals is beyond me.

fsckboy 4y ago

> the largest cities in big conservative states The largest cities in big conservative states are where all the Democrats in those states live. And the rural areas in all the big liberal states are where all the Republicans in those states live. Democrats by and large run the cities.