5 ms·

Sounds like SF to me. It has never been "nice". I was commuting to and from work there for over a year back in ~2015 and it was hell then. I interviewed around

Sounds like SF to me. It has never been "nice". I was commuting to and from work there for over a year back in ~2015 and it was hell then. I interviewed around 2017 in SF and it was so bad I didn't dare walk back to the station (caught an Uber instead). It's a terrible place.

robswc 4y ago
I feel like at least ~10 years ago you could justify it. At any rate, I think its safe to say the best days are behind.
etrautmann 4y ago
That’s ridiculous. I lived there 2014-2019 and it was delightful. Certainly many bad problems that weren’t getting fixed but ray to day life for most people wasn’t anything like the horror show it’s made out to be.
- ethicalsmacker 4y ago
  I didn't enjoy stepping over human feces when walking down the street every day, carefully dodging used needles on the sidewalks or watching homeless people piss or shit in front of Starbucks at ~11AM but to each their own.
  - azinman2 4y ago
    I’ve lived in SF for 11 years now and have yet to see human feces. This isn’t ubiquitous.
    - friend_and_foe 4y ago
      You've lived there a long time. Are there places where you know you would probably see feces? If so, how do you manage to avoid them?
      - hechtoid 4y ago
        https://wmmr.com/2019/04/17/someone-made-an-interactive-san-francisco-poop-map/ https://wmmr.com/2019/04/17/someone-made-an-interactive-san-...
      - azinman2 3y ago
        I don’t go to SoMA, mission, tenderloin, or civic center often. I avoid them because there’s much elsewhere. It’s not that I’m explicitly avoiding, but my interests are often in other parts of the city.
- hackernewds 4y ago
  I lived there 2015-2019. A year less, but in my experience 5 car break-ins 2 bottles thrown to me 1 mugged, wallet gone Chased with an axe These things happened at SoMa, which is objectively known to be a "nicer" neighborhood. The Tenderloin area definitely experiences worse. Surely everyone that has walked Market St or taken the train has seen things uncommon in most other urban American cities. I struggle to understand how in SF we've gotten accustomed to downplaying these experiences.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    I suspect these people have never actually lived somewhere nice and think junkies threatening you on the street is just normal background noise you have everywhere.
    - throwawayohio 4y ago
      Genuinely curious where you experienced this on a regular basis in sf? Do you also live in a business district?
      - inconceivable 4y ago
        this kind of shit happens everywhere along geary and market stretching all the way past divisadero and to castro. there's a reason the tenderloin is right where geary and market come together. i lived in SF for 2 years around 2008 and it wasn't safe then either. and more recently i've seen crazy shit go down (or the aftermath, like broken glass everywhere) every time i visit friends. the western more suburban parts of the city are much better. sf has basically been broken since the gold rush. seems to me the primary goal these days is to make enough money to insulate yourself from this stuff as much as possible, or just leave.
  - throwawayohio 4y ago
    > These things happened at SoMa, which is objectively known to be a "nicer" neighborhood. i'm having a really hard time reconciling 4 years in sf with thinking soma is one of the nicer parts of the city.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- dougmwne 4y ago
  You must carry around your own alternate reality bubble. I was in SF for 6 months in 2015, by all reports a much safer time than now. I lived adjacent to the Berkeley campus and took the Bart to market street. Got chased into the street twice, and had someone smear their blood on my jacket another time. I watched people eat morsels out of the gutter, defecate in public, scurried away from cars getting broken into and my Bart station was an open air drug market at 8am. I watched drugged out people wander into traffic, just to see other passersbys scream at the police for interfering. I’ve been to the poorest countries in the world and have never seen anything like the Tenderloin. Ya’ll can keep SF.
subsistence234 4y ago
AFAI remember (I was pretty young then) San Francisco was quite nice around 2000.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  Ha! It was worse..
  - nilespotter 4y ago
    [dead]

robswc 4y ago

I feel like at least ~10 years ago you could justify it. At any rate, I think its safe to say the best days are behind.

etrautmann 4y ago

That’s ridiculous. I lived there 2014-2019 and it was delightful. Certainly many bad problems that weren’t getting fixed but ray to day life for most people wasn’t anything like the horror show it’s made out to be.

ethicalsmacker 4y ago
I didn't enjoy stepping over human feces when walking down the street every day, carefully dodging used needles on the sidewalks or watching homeless people piss or shit in front of Starbucks at ~11AM but to each their own.
- azinman2 4y ago
  I’ve lived in SF for 11 years now and have yet to see human feces. This isn’t ubiquitous.
  - friend_and_foe 4y ago
    You've lived there a long time. Are there places where you know you would probably see feces? If so, how do you manage to avoid them?
    - hechtoid 4y ago
      https://wmmr.com/2019/04/17/someone-made-an-interactive-san-francisco-poop-map/ https://wmmr.com/2019/04/17/someone-made-an-interactive-san-...
    - azinman2 3y ago
      I don’t go to SoMA, mission, tenderloin, or civic center often. I avoid them because there’s much elsewhere. It’s not that I’m explicitly avoiding, but my interests are often in other parts of the city.
hackernewds 4y ago
I lived there 2015-2019. A year less, but in my experience 5 car break-ins 2 bottles thrown to me 1 mugged, wallet gone Chased with an axe These things happened at SoMa, which is objectively known to be a "nicer" neighborhood. The Tenderloin area definitely experiences worse. Surely everyone that has walked Market St or taken the train has seen things uncommon in most other urban American cities. I struggle to understand how in SF we've gotten accustomed to downplaying these experiences.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  I suspect these people have never actually lived somewhere nice and think junkies threatening you on the street is just normal background noise you have everywhere.
  - throwawayohio 4y ago
    Genuinely curious where you experienced this on a regular basis in sf? Do you also live in a business district?
    - inconceivable 4y ago
      this kind of shit happens everywhere along geary and market stretching all the way past divisadero and to castro. there's a reason the tenderloin is right where geary and market come together. i lived in SF for 2 years around 2008 and it wasn't safe then either. and more recently i've seen crazy shit go down (or the aftermath, like broken glass everywhere) every time i visit friends. the western more suburban parts of the city are much better. sf has basically been broken since the gold rush. seems to me the primary goal these days is to make enough money to insulate yourself from this stuff as much as possible, or just leave.
- throwawayohio 4y ago
  > These things happened at SoMa, which is objectively known to be a "nicer" neighborhood. i'm having a really hard time reconciling 4 years in sf with thinking soma is one of the nicer parts of the city.
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
dougmwne 4y ago
You must carry around your own alternate reality bubble. I was in SF for 6 months in 2015, by all reports a much safer time than now. I lived adjacent to the Berkeley campus and took the Bart to market street. Got chased into the street twice, and had someone smear their blood on my jacket another time. I watched people eat morsels out of the gutter, defecate in public, scurried away from cars getting broken into and my Bart station was an open air drug market at 8am. I watched drugged out people wander into traffic, just to see other passersbys scream at the police for interfering. I’ve been to the poorest countries in the world and have never seen anything like the Tenderloin. Ya’ll can keep SF.

subsistence234 4y ago

AFAI remember (I was pretty young then) San Francisco was quite nice around 2000.

theGnuMe 4y ago
Ha! It was worse..
- nilespotter 4y ago
  [dead]