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SF has a slightly lower murder rate than the US as a whole. Lower than most of the republican states, and lower than Miami, which some people seem to be trying

SF has a slightly lower murder rate than the US as a whole. Lower than most of the republican states, and lower than Miami, which some people seem to be trying to make the new tech capital.

junofan 4y ago
Murder rate is a proxy for proximity to trauma care. SF does well. The better measure of societal violence is the crime rate. SF is worse than 98% of cities in the US.
- helf 4y ago
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- threatofrain 4y ago
  Homicide is an interesting metric because death is harder to cover up and thus we should expect it to be reported. There are many other crimes which people just wouldn't bother to report. It would be overly speculative to argue that Jackson MS, one of the most conservative 100k+ cities in the US, has a spectacular murder rate compared to SF because medical care is so good in SF.
  - FillYourSole 4y ago
    >Jackson MS, one of the most conservative 100k+ cities in the US Jackson, MS is in Hinds county, which voted 73.4% for Biden in 2020, 71.1% for Clinton in 2016, and 71.5% for Obama in 2012. There hasn't been a single Republican mayor of Jackson in the Post-WW2 period. It's strange to call someone else's comment overly speculative when yours is flat out incorrect.
  - Bulean92 4y ago
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- tzs 4y ago
  Which crime? According to this [1] San Francisco is high for larceny-theft (#2), but #66 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter, #67 for rape, #20 for robbery, #66 for aggravated assault, #55 for burglary, #34 for motor vehicle theft, and #23 for arson. This is out of the 100 most populous of the cities that have data in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports system. Here are the top 5 in each of these categories. Murder etc: St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge Rape: New Orleans, Anchorage, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Spokane Robbery: Baltimore, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis Aggravate assault: Detroit, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee Burglary: Cleveland, Memphis, Baton Rouge, Tulsa, Baltimore Larceny-theft: Spokane, San Francisco, Albuquerque, Memphis, St. Louis Motor vehicle theft: Albuquerque, Oakland, Detroit, Portland OR, San Bernardino Arson: Detroit, Buffalo, Baton Rouge, Bakersfield, Stockton [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
TechBro8615 4y ago
What percentage of murders in "Republican states" occur in cities governed by Democrats?
- Bulean92 4y ago
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pexabit 4y ago
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- happytoexplain 4y ago
  I would hope that on HN, ominous sarcasm would make you even less popular than stating an honest opinion.
  - spoonjim 4y ago
    It’s not sarcasm. It’s just a very obvious confounder
- Bulean92 4y ago
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SF has a slightly lower murder rate than the US as a whole. Lower than most of the republican states, and lower than Miami, which some people seem to be trying to make the new tech capital.

junofan 4y ago

Murder rate is a proxy for proximity to trauma care. SF does well. The better measure of societal violence is the crime rate. SF is worse than 98% of cities in the US.

helf 4y ago
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threatofrain 4y ago
Homicide is an interesting metric because death is harder to cover up and thus we should expect it to be reported. There are many other crimes which people just wouldn't bother to report. It would be overly speculative to argue that Jackson MS, one of the most conservative 100k+ cities in the US, has a spectacular murder rate compared to SF because medical care is so good in SF.
- FillYourSole 4y ago
  >Jackson MS, one of the most conservative 100k+ cities in the US Jackson, MS is in Hinds county, which voted 73.4% for Biden in 2020, 71.1% for Clinton in 2016, and 71.5% for Obama in 2012. There hasn't been a single Republican mayor of Jackson in the Post-WW2 period. It's strange to call someone else's comment overly speculative when yours is flat out incorrect.
- Bulean92 4y ago
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tzs 4y ago
Which crime? According to this [1] San Francisco is high for larceny-theft (#2), but #66 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter, #67 for rape, #20 for robbery, #66 for aggravated assault, #55 for burglary, #34 for motor vehicle theft, and #23 for arson. This is out of the 100 most populous of the cities that have data in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports system. Here are the top 5 in each of these categories. Murder etc: St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge Rape: New Orleans, Anchorage, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Spokane Robbery: Baltimore, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis Aggravate assault: Detroit, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee Burglary: Cleveland, Memphis, Baton Rouge, Tulsa, Baltimore Larceny-theft: Spokane, San Francisco, Albuquerque, Memphis, St. Louis Motor vehicle theft: Albuquerque, Oakland, Detroit, Portland OR, San Bernardino Arson: Detroit, Buffalo, Baton Rouge, Bakersfield, Stockton [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

TechBro8615 4y ago

What percentage of murders in "Republican states" occur in cities governed by Democrats?

Bulean92 4y ago
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pexabit 4y ago

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happytoexplain 4y ago
I would hope that on HN, ominous sarcasm would make you even less popular than stating an honest opinion.
- spoonjim 4y ago
  It’s not sarcasm. It’s just a very obvious confounder
Bulean92 4y ago
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