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If you’re outside of a situation looking in and wondering why people aren’t voting the way you think they should it almost certainly means you’re misreading the
by afavour 4y ago
If you’re outside of a situation looking in and wondering why people aren’t voting the way you think they should it almost certainly means you’re misreading the situation.
- sergiotapia 4y agoI don't think I need to be "inside" to realize the crime and drug situation in san francisco is comic-book level lunacy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2CVMCZ6F2M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2CVMCZ6F2M
- afavour 4y agoNot really relevant to what I’m saying. You were asking “why aren’t the Democrats being voted out”, I’m saying a question like that demonstrates that you don't understand the situation.
- prankeapple 4y agoI live in SF. He understands the situation. This city is an insane asylum whose outcomes are driven by a combination of apathy, NIMBY-ism, virtue signaling, and good old fashioned leftist lunacy. The city was airdropped billions of dollars thanks to its becoming a technology hub (through no efforts of its own), and it would probably be better off if the entire industry left, the tax base evaporated, and it had to fend for itself. But then again, at that point it'd just turn into Detroit with nicer weather.
- afavour 4y ago> I live in SF > the city is an insane asylum I guess voters aren’t the only ones acting irrationally then! If I perceived the place I live in to be an insane asylum I’d probably look into moving.
- threatofrain 4y agoThe SF homicide rate is close to national average. Are there any comparably large cities that vote Republican in national politics?
- tzs 4y agoHere's how homicide rates compare in the 11 largest US cities with a Republican mayor and San Francisco (sorted by population): 13.4 Jacksonville, FL 12.6 Fort Worth, TX 6.9 San Francisco, CA 11.9 Oklahoma City, OK 13.0 Fresno, CA 4.9 Mesa, AZ 6.6 Omaha, NE 7.9 Colorado Springs, CO 3.1 Virginia Beach, VI 10.7 Miami, FL 14.3 Tulsa, OK 14.7 Bakersfield, CA For comparison here are 14 cities with a Democrat mayor from the top 50. I picked these cities by taking the 11 Republican cities and for each picking the next highest and next lowest population Democrat cities: 3.2 San Jose, CA 8.2 Austin, TX 22.4 Columbus, OH 31.8 Washington, DC 4.4 El Paso, TX 17.1 Tucson, AZ 10.9 Sacramento, CA 30.7 Kansas City, MO 32.0 Atlanta, GA 5.5 Raleigh, NC 8.1 Long Beach, CA 30.9 Oakland, CA 22.1 Minneapolis, MN 5.8 Wichita, CA
- Hoyadonis 4y agoWhat's your source? Where are you getting these statistics?
- tzs 4y agoParties of mayors [1]. Homicide rates [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_the_50_largest_cities_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_the_50_large... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rat...
- selimthegrim 4y agoVI is postal abbrev for Virgin Islands, not Virginia and Wichita is in Kansas.
- tablespoon 4y ago>> SF has become so unsafe. Why aren't the democrats in charge voted out of office for other people who will do something about it? Do people just not vote in that city? > If you’re outside of a situation looking in and wondering why people aren’t voting the way you think they should it almost certainly means you’re misreading the situation. Didn't SF recall its local prosecutor recently over crime issues? It sounds like people may actually be trying (somewhat) to vote the way the GP thinks they should. I would hazard a guess that the answer to the GP's question is something along the lines that SF residents hate Republicans, but Democrats only come in so many flavors nowadays (and not even all of those are available in the Bay Area).
- fogzen 4y agoViolent crime went down during Boudin’s tenure. Don’t base opinions on media propaganda.
- tablespoon 4y ago> Violent crime went down during Boudin’s tenure. Don’t base opinions on media propaganda. So are SF residents propagandized sheeple and recalled him for no good reason, or is there more to the story than your first sentence?
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- Apocryphon 4y agoGarry Tan and police unions from multiple cities funding a big campaign? https://www.theinformation.com/articles/garry-tan-vs-chesa-boudin-the-san-francisco-political-scene-gets-a-new-tech-combatant https://www.theinformation.com/articles/garry-tan-vs-chesa-b... https://twitter.com/jackiefielder_/status/1641656117083381760 https://twitter.com/jackiefielder_/status/164165611708338176... Maybe recalling Boudin is right or not, but either way when a lot of money is injected into a campaign, it tends to influence outcomes. Just see Prop 22.
- jytechdevops 4y agoi've lived in portland, stl, and DC. Just moved to bay area a few weeks ago and never have I in my entire 36 years of living in the US have I felt so unsafe. Not sure if you are blinded by living here for your entire life but this place is really not normal and it is by no means even close to what I would consider remotely safe.
- shuckles 4y agoPortland is by far less safe than San Francisco. It had double the homicides in 2022 with 2/3rds the population.
- hnav 4y agoSF is weird and should probably not be considered a city for these kinds of analyses without Oakland and possibly the rest of the bay: the majority of the violence occurs in Oakland.
- shuckles 4y agoYou can go your entire time in San Francisco without visiting Oakland, and all the cities on the Peninsula or North Bay you're likely to visit instead have much, much lower crime rates. I'm not sure why including Oakland is necessary to make an apples-to-apples comparison to Portland, which OP claims was safer than San Francisco.
- hnav 4y agoSure and you can live in Chicago without venturing to the south-side, most people who live on the west-side in LA only go to south LA for events and stay out of east LA. My point is that SF is a bit odd in that it's a county and city that ends very abruptly, and Oakland is a 12 minute car or BART or 25 minute ferry ride from Embarcadero, thus the crime stats in the bay don't make much sense until you start averaging them across the metro area. It's not that Oakland is crazy violent, it's just that the a lot of the most violent areas of the metro fall in its borders, it's not that SF has the most vagrant or larcenous population, it's that it has a good climate for it: lots of the soft targets and toothless police force.
- shuckles 4y agoMarginal San Francisco voters are an uninformed bunch. Boudin won his election with the second choice votes of a candidate named Nancy Tung who was on the opposite end of the criminal justice reform spectrum, so much so that the coalition to which Boudin belonged could not even countenance Tung as the mayoral appointment to the police commission. Winners of San Francisco elections come down to reality of machine politics and not ideological preferences.