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All of us who haven't achieved fabulous success find this very comforting, of course. But I'm still going to put in effort, because I don't believe in any of t

All of us who haven't achieved fabulous success find this very comforting, of course. But I'm still going to put in effort, because I don't believe in any of this fate crap, etc.

WXLCKNO 4y ago
Well yeah, you still gotta play to win and put the odds on your side. You may never make it but it won't be because you didn't have what it takes.
epgui 4y ago
This paper does not suggest in any way that effort is not important.
- kortilla 4y ago
  Effort without intelligence is just pointless toil though. Either this paper is saying it’s pure chance, in which case effort isn’t relevant, or some intelligence is required.
  - f0ld 4y ago
    Fundamental reality of intelligence is that it can be shared. Especially more effective when it is only shared among small groups. Very few are innate to a person.
  - lmaoge 4y ago
    If you're saying "intelligence" as in greater than 75 IQ then sure. If you slide that scale any further you'll quickly be overweighting intelligence to success
    - kortilla 4y ago
      Show me all of the company CEOs with an IQ of 80.
  - epgui 4y ago
    Well, considering that with "zero intelligence" you're basically on life support in a coma, I'd say you're not even wrong.
  - adave 4y ago
    Lot of folks who become rich with average intelligence so it's in no way a barrier.
glimshe 4y ago
It's not fate, it's simply randomness. You can be brilliant, put in the effort and still fail miserably, but your chances are nonetheless much higher than people who don't put in the effort or are unintelligent.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  Counting cards or rolling d20s comes to mind here. You can roll more, or find ways to add +5 to your favor -- tilt the odds an extra 10% -- but at the end of the day it's random. So you either find ways to roll the dice more, roll the dice without having to bet anything, or ways to add an extra 5% onto your odds.

All of us who haven't achieved fabulous success find this very comforting, of course. But I'm still going to put in effort, because I don't believe in any of this fate crap, etc.

WXLCKNO 4y ago

Well yeah, you still gotta play to win and put the odds on your side. You may never make it but it won't be because you didn't have what it takes.

epgui 4y ago

This paper does not suggest in any way that effort is not important.

kortilla 4y ago
Effort without intelligence is just pointless toil though. Either this paper is saying it’s pure chance, in which case effort isn’t relevant, or some intelligence is required.
- f0ld 4y ago
  Fundamental reality of intelligence is that it can be shared. Especially more effective when it is only shared among small groups. Very few are innate to a person.
- lmaoge 4y ago
  If you're saying "intelligence" as in greater than 75 IQ then sure. If you slide that scale any further you'll quickly be overweighting intelligence to success
  - kortilla 4y ago
    Show me all of the company CEOs with an IQ of 80.
- epgui 4y ago
  Well, considering that with "zero intelligence" you're basically on life support in a coma, I'd say you're not even wrong.
- adave 4y ago
  Lot of folks who become rich with average intelligence so it's in no way a barrier.

glimshe 4y ago

It's not fate, it's simply randomness. You can be brilliant, put in the effort and still fail miserably, but your chances are nonetheless much higher than people who don't put in the effort or are unintelligent.

red-iron-pine 4y ago
Counting cards or rolling d20s comes to mind here. You can roll more, or find ways to add +5 to your favor -- tilt the odds an extra 10% -- but at the end of the day it's random. So you either find ways to roll the dice more, roll the dice without having to bet anything, or ways to add an extra 5% onto your odds.