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T-Mobile's you absolutely can disable, but I would have never ever thought to look there until I read this. I switched off Auto-join on both "t-mobile" and "TM
by wpm 4y ago
T-Mobile's you absolutely can disable, but I would have never ever thought to look there until I read this.
I switched off Auto-join on both "t-mobile" and "TMobileWingman", but I couldn't hit the "Done" text-but-its-really-a-button in the upper right until I made some change to the normal known networks list, so I deleted a couple that I didn't remember or recognize. YMMV.
It's gross either way. No way, no way in hell this is something that should be shadow dropped onto my phone.
- newZWhoDis 4y agoWait 5 minutes and check it again. “Auto join” will be turned on again
- kccqzy 4y agoI have T-mobile but I haven't a clue what you are talking about. There are Wi-Fi networks called "t-mobile" and "TMobileWingman"? I just don't see them at all. Under what condition should I see them?
- newZWhoDis 4y agoSettings/Wifi/edit/scroll down to “managed networks” These are networks added by your carrier you can’t remove. They have equal priority to your real networks. In my case, 2 neighbors have freebie wifi/modem combos blasting out 1-bar hotspots that match my carriers free hotspot SSIDs, so all my family’s personal devices constantly switch between my real home network and these “hot spots” with no way to stop it short of removing everyone’s SIMs
- diebeforei485 4y agoI am able to disable "Auto-join" on those, but I don't have these WiFi hotspots near me so I can't test if that Auto-join toggle actually works.
- newZWhoDis 4y agoWait 4-5 minutes and open the menu again. In my case I disable auto join on all and they’re all back on in 4-5 minutes. I was also able to verify this as the device will still really connect to the “disabled” hot spots, even after switching it off. Just took a while for the profile to resync. Edit: only 5 of 9 re-enable auto join after I disable it.
- diebeforei485 4y agoIt's been more than five minutes, I opened the menu again and it's still disabled. I'm on an iPhone 12 Pro Max on iOS 16.4, which is the latest iOS. > even after switching it off This might be your issue, because after a restart your iPhone no longer has access to your saved Wi-Fi credentials, but it can still use EAP-SIM to join T-Mobile's Wi-Fi network first. But I see your point that it does not respect the "Auto-join" toggle.
- newZWhoDis 4y agoSorry, to clarify my device will reconnect to a carrier-managed hotspot that has had auto-join manually disabled without a reboot within 4-5 minutes.
- diebeforei485 4y agoYeah, that's probably a bug. If this happens often enough to annoy you, you could file this bug with Apple by typing "applefeedback:///" into Safari. It could take some guesswork to figure out what component to file this against.
- rurp 4y agoDoes Apple ever respond to bug reports? I've only ever heard of them disappearing into the void. Beyond that though, users shouldn't have to file bugs against hostile features like this. Spreading the word as widely as possible about Apple's behavior here is likely to be far more effective.
- sundvor 4y agoAppalling. You'd need an extremely strong reality distortion field to advocate for it. I can only guess it's a way for the telcos to offload 5g traffic. In the Android world, if Samsung/Telstra introduced something similar in Australia that'd be enough for me to jump ship to another manufacturer that didn't. There's an auto-enabled "Hotspot 2.0" feature that I've turned off; it's not ideal that it's on by default but for people on lesser data plans it could be convenient. It's a simple toggle to turn off, nothing's forced.
- tekknik 4y agoHow does this offload traffic? That wifi router is likely a 5G home internet router which is connecting to the same tower. So while connected clients would reduce, bandwidth usage would not as these devices are not powerful enough to run any meaningful caching services.
- sundvor 4y agoFair question! My assumption was that the wifi access points would be connected to eg gigabit fttp, not wireless.
- unethical_ban 4y agoI could see a system where carriers partner with cities to install wifi at crowded locations, preset a carrier provided password and use that for better service than 5g. But I am shocked that they would force connection to open ssids.
- newZWhoDis 4y agoI’m not shocked the carrier would try, I’m shocked the OS lets the carrier dictate this with no user recourse.
- cyxxon 4y agoI do not have that section under Settings/WiFi. Does that mean tht my carrier simply has not added any managed networks, or should this section always be there, even if it is empty? Or is this a US thing, as I am in Germany?
- RetpolineDrama 4y agoI see it under Settings/WiFi/Edit, scroll to the bottom
- croutonwagon 4y agoIts at the top right, where the "next" button normally is. Blue ink. Probably not a US thing. Its an IOS thing as that is where you can delete/forget networks you have joined (that arent in range anymore)
- cyxxon 4y agoThanks, yes, I have it too. Must have had a brainfart yesterday.
- s3p 4y agoThis is insane. I have never heard of these and after checking I also have them on my iDevice. Tmobile should explain what wingman is and why it's on IOS devices.
- ajmurmann 4y agoI don't understand why Apple allows carriers to do this. Apple id a well-respected brand by most of their customers while carriers are seen as an evil you cannot do without.
- jrockway 4y agoI suppose "brand perception" loses to "we bought all the RF spectrum". If T-mobile, AT&T, and Verizon say "no iPhone", guess who is out of business? Not the spectrum owners.
- nulbyte 4y ago> If T-mobile, AT&T, and Verizon say "no iPhone", guess who is out of business? If Apple said, "no, you can't force users onto Wi-Fi networks without their consent," T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon would just say, "ok, it was worth a try," and carry on as if nothing happened. People will still want Apple products in sufficient numbers, and carriers will still want money from those people. But Apple isn't interested in what people want, Apple is interested in what they can convince people they want.
- tekknik 4y agoI mean I’m certainly not switching back to a dumb phone or android. And since iOS maintains 56% market share in the US Apple can easily force some hands.
- isleyaardvark 4y agoApple already fought and won that battle when they introduced the iPhone, when they had much less negotiating power than today.
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- ummonk 4y agoThanks I just did this as well. I often defend Apple's decisions but this is downright ridiculous.
- newZWhoDis 4y agoMake sure you check up on it later, in my case the carrier turns auto-join back on a few minutes later.
- ummonk 4y agoThanks. Doesn't seem to have happened yet but I have no confidence it'll remain that way.
- codazoda 4y agoWingman does not stay turned off for me, as op mentioned in his edit.
- nvrspyx 4y agoIt doesn't stay off for me either, but after some digging on the internet, Wingman appears to be an in-flight wifi network on planes (which may not actually exist anymore and T-Mobile are in the process of removing from devices according to this recent comment by a stranger on an old Reddit thread[1]). While it's annoying that it doesn't stay off, it doesn't seem to be something that would cause problems in practice because flights typically only have one wifi network. 1: https://reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/7u535i/_/jcl01il/?context=1 https://reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/7u535i/_/jcl01il/?cont...
- KerrickStaley 4y agoYou can hit Cancel and it will still retain the auto-join setting (very counterintuitive).
- bobbylarrybobby 4y agoVery bizarre: I unchecked the auto join settings and, as you said, the done button wasn't enabled. So I pressed cancel, and the changes persisted.