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This article fails to mention that college admission is not based solely on test scores. Many Asians are almost solely test-driven and tend to ignore the other

by balloot 15y ago

This article fails to mention that college admission is not based solely on test scores. Many Asians are almost solely test-driven and tend to ignore the other aspects of a "well-rounded" eduction. I am sure if you looked at race-based stats on who played sports in high school (as opposed to test scores like in the article), you would see that Asians are way behind in that particular metric. And while some may not think sports matter, colleges do. And it appears that there is good reason for this, as sports teach leadership, teamwork, how to perform under pressure, etc. I would hope this lawsuit is thrown out, as this country really should not be encouraging "tiger mom" behavior as the right thing to do. Instead, if you want your son to get into Harvard, stop making him study 15 hours a day and get him into extracurricular activities.

hugh4life 15y ago
Why shouldn't there be affirmative action for Asians in sports? Why are jock parents better than tiger moms? I really wish college sports were segregated by academics and were not just glorified development leagues for the professionals. Most of these college athletes have absolutely no business representing their schools. I didn't go to Stanford(I went to the UofI), but they are one of my favorite teams because at least I know those athletes belong in a college.
kytmizuno 15y ago
Don't throw out vast generalizations without data to support it.
unavoidable 15y ago
And punishing the children for the sins of the "tiger mom" is fine?
- hackinthebochs 15y ago
  You're only being punished if somehow you can claim you deserved a spot at any particular school. This is what this discussion is about, how one determines "merit".
edwardy20 15y ago
Nope, the article mentions that. "If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."
- balloot 15y ago
  I would be interested to see their definition of "all other credentials equal". My assumption is that it is some very simplistic compilation of grades and test scores, because the article barely mentions any factors other than these. Also, many of the things that drive college admission are not easy to objectively compare - is a great cellist equal to an 3 sport letterman who was also on student council? How does a rich kid whose parents send him to math camp compare to a kid who had to work full time during the summer? And so on.

by balloot 15y ago

hugh4life 15y ago

Why shouldn't there be affirmative action for Asians in sports? Why are jock parents better than tiger moms? I really wish college sports were segregated by academics and were not just glorified development leagues for the professionals. Most of these college athletes have absolutely no business representing their schools. I didn't go to Stanford(I went to the UofI), but they are one of my favorite teams because at least I know those athletes belong in a college.

kytmizuno 15y ago

Don't throw out vast generalizations without data to support it.

unavoidable 15y ago

And punishing the children for the sins of the "tiger mom" is fine?

hackinthebochs 15y ago
You're only being punished if somehow you can claim you deserved a spot at any particular school. This is what this discussion is about, how one determines "merit".

edwardy20 15y ago

Nope, the article mentions that. "If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

balloot 15y ago
I would be interested to see their definition of "all other credentials equal". My assumption is that it is some very simplistic compilation of grades and test scores, because the article barely mentions any factors other than these. Also, many of the things that drive college admission are not easy to objectively compare - is a great cellist equal to an 3 sport letterman who was also on student council? How does a rich kid whose parents send him to math camp compare to a kid who had to work full time during the summer? And so on.