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they're right though: cars are unnecessarily massive. Every technological step forward like high strength steel, digital communication bus instead of massive wi

by hnav 4y ago

they're right though: cars are unnecessarily massive. Every technological step forward like high strength steel, digital communication bus instead of massive wiring harnesses, alu-alloys and composites is pissed away by making larger and larger urban assault crossovers. In the SF bay I always see two 150lb humans in a 4000lb Toyota RAV4 because "they're outdoors people and might need to go to Tahoe in the winter"

NotYourLawyer 4y ago
Who decides what’s necessary? The people buying the cars. This is America.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  No actually its not that simple. You should inform yourself. Because of car lobbying, the US has adopted pretty much every possible way to accommodate larger cars. The idea that it is all free choice is nonsense. An important one being, that 'light trucks' were excluded from fuel standards. The US alone has refused to consider pedestrian safety in safety assessment. This allows car markers to have profit from those vehicles while they don't make profit from smaller vehicles. This alone is a huge intensive for car makers to sell as many of these vehicles as possible. We can go threw the list of all the other things, under-priced huge highways, lane width, car parking minimum (number and size), free city parking, import tariffs, legal definitions for pedestrian safety and so on. Like seriously there are so many government forced factor that makes it more likely people will pick up bigger cars. The big cars are only possible in the first place because road regulation from 60/70 forced everybody to build way larger roads. Compare a subburb from the 60s with one from the 80s. Only once the government had changed and rebuilt the whole of the US road network did larger vehicle become more common. And these vehicle literally don't make sense. Its cultural. The pickups popular in the US now are not actually sensible by any measure that is done. Real trades people still prefer vans and older smaller pickups. The idea that this is some 'free market' is complete nonsense. If people actually had to pay for all these absurdly sized road and all this other stuff, they wouldn't want it. But I guess "This is America" is correct, where car companies and high building companies dictate government transportation policy despite tons of evidence its horrible.
  - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
    This is an awful lot of words to say https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/stop-liking-what-i-dont-like https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/stop-liking-what-i-dont-like
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      The kind of defense one makes when one does not have a real counter argument.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  The government needs to step in to solve externalities. If you want to drive a massive car that harms everyone around you you should be forced to pay society for the harm that causes.
  - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
    It harms everyone around you? Please.
    - HDThoreaun 4y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
      - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
        TLDW
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      - Increase road ware. - Massively increase chance of killing children. Car literally engineered with blind spots where driver can't see what's in front of them. This is gross negligent. - Massively increase chance of killing a pedestrian in an accident. - Massive increase in chance of killing the person in the other car in case of accident. - Massive size makes accident more like, specially with bicycles. - Higher fuel consumption more pollution As a society we typical try to restrict or make thing illegal that hugely increase the chance of killing people. In the US chocolate eggs are illegal because of the children, but driving a gigantic death truck where you can't see a child that is standing right in front of the car is totally normal. How is that not fucking insane? These high front pickups are proven to kill more children, its not up for debate. The are proven to be more dangerous for pedestrians. Non of this is up for debate.

by hnav 4y ago

NotYourLawyer 4y ago

Who decides what’s necessary? The people buying the cars. This is America.

panick21_ 4y ago
No actually its not that simple. You should inform yourself. Because of car lobbying, the US has adopted pretty much every possible way to accommodate larger cars. The idea that it is all free choice is nonsense. An important one being, that 'light trucks' were excluded from fuel standards. The US alone has refused to consider pedestrian safety in safety assessment. This allows car markers to have profit from those vehicles while they don't make profit from smaller vehicles. This alone is a huge intensive for car makers to sell as many of these vehicles as possible. We can go threw the list of all the other things, under-priced huge highways, lane width, car parking minimum (number and size), free city parking, import tariffs, legal definitions for pedestrian safety and so on. Like seriously there are so many government forced factor that makes it more likely people will pick up bigger cars. The big cars are only possible in the first place because road regulation from 60/70 forced everybody to build way larger roads. Compare a subburb from the 60s with one from the 80s. Only once the government had changed and rebuilt the whole of the US road network did larger vehicle become more common. And these vehicle literally don't make sense. Its cultural. The pickups popular in the US now are not actually sensible by any measure that is done. Real trades people still prefer vans and older smaller pickups. The idea that this is some 'free market' is complete nonsense. If people actually had to pay for all these absurdly sized road and all this other stuff, they wouldn't want it. But I guess "This is America" is correct, where car companies and high building companies dictate government transportation policy despite tons of evidence its horrible.
- NotYourLawyer 4y ago
  This is an awful lot of words to say https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/stop-liking-what-i-dont-like https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/stop-liking-what-i-dont-like
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    The kind of defense one makes when one does not have a real counter argument.
HDThoreaun 4y ago
The government needs to step in to solve externalities. If you want to drive a massive car that harms everyone around you you should be forced to pay society for the harm that causes.
- NotYourLawyer 4y ago
  It harms everyone around you? Please.
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
    - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
      TLDW
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    - Increase road ware. - Massively increase chance of killing children. Car literally engineered with blind spots where driver can't see what's in front of them. This is gross negligent. - Massively increase chance of killing a pedestrian in an accident. - Massive increase in chance of killing the person in the other car in case of accident. - Massive size makes accident more like, specially with bicycles. - Higher fuel consumption more pollution As a society we typical try to restrict or make thing illegal that hugely increase the chance of killing people. In the US chocolate eggs are illegal because of the children, but driving a gigantic death truck where you can't see a child that is standing right in front of the car is totally normal. How is that not fucking insane? These high front pickups are proven to kill more children, its not up for debate. The are proven to be more dangerous for pedestrians. Non of this is up for debate.