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>Yes, and for the same reasons they are invading Ukraine now! They feared German attacks through Finland and decided it was better to invade first, just as they

>Yes, and for the same reasons they are invading Ukraine now! They feared German attacks through Finland and decided it was better to invade first, just as they fear American attacks through Ukraine and decided to invade first. Next you'll argue that they feared German attacks through Poland, and that's why they invaded Poland alongside the Germans.

carlosjobim 4y ago
Of course yes. The Soviets and the Nazis were preparing for war with each other long before they jointly attacked Poland. This is a widely known historical fact. Stalin wasn't ready for the war with Germany just yet and bought some time. Invading Poland gave him a buffer zone, instead of having the Germans closer. As for the Finno-Russian war in WWII, just take a look at the map and see how close Finland is to Russia's largest city. Modern wars work like this. Rulers will invade to get a buffer zone between themselves and the enemy. Putin felt cornered by perceived US advances towards Russia and lashed out.
- dralley 4y ago
  Russia has nukes, they don't need to invade other countries for land buffers, and excusing that behavior (much less the rape, torture, murder of civilians, etc.) is appalling. Moreover it doesn't even mesh with Putin's own stated rationale for the war, which doesn't have much to do with NATO at all.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    Your way of expressing yourself is disgusting. I haven't excused any of those horrible things, so don't accuse me of that. There is a real person here on the other side of the screen. I don't support war. Understanding why war happens and why it happened in the past is not excusing anything. There must be room for deeper debate and exchange than "I hate the enemy!". Putin fears American anti-air missiles that neutralizes the threat of Russian nukes. He has been saying that since he came to power. If he believes those kind of missile systems are coming to his doorstep, he will try to stop it - using any rationale.
    - dralley 4y ago
      >Putin fears American anti-air missiles that neutralizes the threat of Russian nukes. The trajectory of ICBMs crosses over the North Pole, and most of Russia's launch facilities are too far North or East for Ukraine to be remotely relevant to intercepting them. It is a garbage, nonsensical excuse. And there is no reason to admit that into evidence while rejecting the idea that Putin's constant chauvanistic refrains about how Russians and Ukrainians are one people, that Ukrainians are just "little Russians" who've been convinced they're something different by the evil West, an idea which he has been pushing for years, have anything to do with the invasion.

carlosjobim 4y ago

Of course yes. The Soviets and the Nazis were preparing for war with each other long before they jointly attacked Poland. This is a widely known historical fact. Stalin wasn't ready for the war with Germany just yet and bought some time. Invading Poland gave him a buffer zone, instead of having the Germans closer. As for the Finno-Russian war in WWII, just take a look at the map and see how close Finland is to Russia's largest city. Modern wars work like this. Rulers will invade to get a buffer zone between themselves and the enemy. Putin felt cornered by perceived US advances towards Russia and lashed out.

dralley 4y ago
Russia has nukes, they don't need to invade other countries for land buffers, and excusing that behavior (much less the rape, torture, murder of civilians, etc.) is appalling. Moreover it doesn't even mesh with Putin's own stated rationale for the war, which doesn't have much to do with NATO at all.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  Your way of expressing yourself is disgusting. I haven't excused any of those horrible things, so don't accuse me of that. There is a real person here on the other side of the screen. I don't support war. Understanding why war happens and why it happened in the past is not excusing anything. There must be room for deeper debate and exchange than "I hate the enemy!". Putin fears American anti-air missiles that neutralizes the threat of Russian nukes. He has been saying that since he came to power. If he believes those kind of missile systems are coming to his doorstep, he will try to stop it - using any rationale.
  - dralley 4y ago
    >Putin fears American anti-air missiles that neutralizes the threat of Russian nukes. The trajectory of ICBMs crosses over the North Pole, and most of Russia's launch facilities are too far North or East for Ukraine to be remotely relevant to intercepting them. It is a garbage, nonsensical excuse. And there is no reason to admit that into evidence while rejecting the idea that Putin's constant chauvanistic refrains about how Russians and Ukrainians are one people, that Ukrainians are just "little Russians" who've been convinced they're something different by the evil West, an idea which he has been pushing for years, have anything to do with the invasion.