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> It brought me from A to B, but it didn't feel like I had been spending energy. This may be a downside for you personally, but more broadly it's the reason wh

> It brought me from A to B, but it didn't feel like I had been spending energy. This may be a downside for you personally, but more broadly it's the reason why people may replace cars with ebikes. Normal bicycles are in a stable relationship with cars, meaning that the sorts of people who would replace their cars with bicycles have already done so. There's no new impetus right now that wasn't present 8 years ago. Ebikes open up the "replace cars" space to a new group of people that it didn't previously apply to. You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer?

marapuru 4y ago
> You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer? I'm aware that I'm focussing on my specific area here. Which is flat land, low distance commutes. I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. Which I think puts them a step back in health and increases dangerous situations on the low to mid speed bicycle paths.
- margalabargala 4y ago
  > I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles Maybe this is a location dependent thing. I see you're in the Netherlands; I'm in the US. Among people here riding ebikes, they're not choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. They're choosing ebikes over cars. Regular bicycles were never an option for those people. I agree that people on ebikes are more dangerous than people on regular bikes. But they are so much less dangerous than the people in cars. Every car driver that becomes an ebike rider instead is an absolute improvement. In a location like the Netherlands where cycling is so much more common, I can see how people could swap from a regular bicycle to an ebike, and that makes things worse.

marapuru 4y ago

> You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer? I'm aware that I'm focussing on my specific area here. Which is flat land, low distance commutes. I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. Which I think puts them a step back in health and increases dangerous situations on the low to mid speed bicycle paths.

margalabargala 4y ago
> I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles Maybe this is a location dependent thing. I see you're in the Netherlands; I'm in the US. Among people here riding ebikes, they're not choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. They're choosing ebikes over cars. Regular bicycles were never an option for those people. I agree that people on ebikes are more dangerous than people on regular bikes. But they are so much less dangerous than the people in cars. Every car driver that becomes an ebike rider instead is an absolute improvement. In a location like the Netherlands where cycling is so much more common, I can see how people could swap from a regular bicycle to an ebike, and that makes things worse.