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> Not sure what the attraction of downtown urban areas are anymore I like the part where they're not the suburbs. Dreadful places those. Can you imagine living
by Swizec 4y ago
> Not sure what the attraction of downtown urban areas are anymore
I like the part where they're not the suburbs. Dreadful places those. Can you imagine living in a cookie cutter house surrounded by a useless plot of land that you aren't even allowed to use and where every other person is just a cookie cutter version of yourself? Dreadful.
Cities feel alive. It's great.
- bluSCALE4 4y agoSome suburbs are nice. Many are awful, like the ones in Austin, TX. Soulless.
- miguelazo 4y agoAlmost all of the new ones are like that. Go look around Phoenix. And they look "nice" for a brief period. Just wait until the legacy costs catch up with them. If you go look at the older master-planned communities in far-flung suburbs, they look as bad if not worse than any urban blight.
- rootusrootus 4y ago> Just wait until the legacy costs catch up with them. How long do we have to wait for that? Going on 120 years here, still doing okay.
- HEmanZ 4y agoA pre-war suburb is an entirely different thing than a burb built in the 80s. Generally, urbanists love the prewar burb in America, their criticisms are of the postwar burbs.
- rootusrootus 4y agoWhat is the infrastructure difference?
- HEmanZ 4y agoThe one sentence gist is that they were built to be more walkable (not everyone had a car) and people used land more diversely (most of our crazy zoning wasn’t invented yet). How it looks in practice is a fun rabbit hole to go down.
- miguelazo 4y agoAlso fewer fugly prefab commercial buildings and strip malls hosting lame chain businesses that send all of their profits out of town.
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- pookha 4y agoI live on a suburban pipe-stem that connects to a trail system which itself connects to multiple lakes and the neigborhood pool. In the backyard I've got a zip line\trampoline for the kids and my dog can go wild. There hasn't been crime in my neighborhood for thirty years. During the fall I have campfires with my kids...Is that really dreadful? If people look they can find some paradise-like environments in the suburbs.
- Swizec 4y ago> There hasn't been crime in my neighborhood for thirty years Oh come now. Not a single little tax evasion, domestic dispute, custody case, HOA rules violation, improperly maintained vehicle, or DUI in 30 years? Not even a noise violation from a motorcycle with after market exhausts? I don’t believe it.
- operatingthetan 4y agoReminds me when drivers complain about cyclists breaking the rules of the road all the time without the self awareness that they break the speed limit every day.
- pookha 4y agoWelcome to Northern Virginia. Everybody has a security clearance :)
- rootusrootus 4y ago> Can you imagine living in a cookie cutter house surrounded by a useless plot of land that you aren't even allowed to use and where every other person is just a cookie cutter version of yourself? Then... don't? Many of us live in suburban cities that do not match that description at all, and love it. If you want to live in a dense urban environment, go for it. I think all the noise and human waste would be dreadful, but I can't speak for you.
- Swizec 4y ago> Many of us live in suburban cities that do not match that description at all Yep. And most city neighborhoods don’t at all match the charicature that people in these discussions imagine every city to be.